There Is No Dancer (yet)

[Dorander]

Now for some things that bear repeating..

Thancred first calls himself a bard. Even though he, up to 2.2 quite obviously used gladiator skills, now he's been called a rogue and looks like one when he draws his weapons. Which happen to be a sword and a dagger, something we as players are incapable of equipping.

Y'shtola has been referred to as a Conjurer, though she's quite often uses Collective Unconscious, which is an AST skill.

Urianger is an Arcanist, however he wields a staff which is not possible by player Arcanists, (though in the 3.4 story during his brief costume change he uses a book). He also summons an Amber carbuncle, which as the lorebook states that only he has been able to do, since nobody else can get the matrix to work.

Alphinaud is an Arcanist, and as such wields a book. However, he summons an onyx carbuncle, which is again something we as players are unable to do.

Raubhan is a gladiator, and before his injury, used to dual wield swords. Though player gladiators are relegated to a single sword and shield.

Merlwyb has never had her class/job announced, however she dual wields pistols.

Quite a few Yellowjackets and Sky pirates dualwield a sword and a pistol, which is also something we as players are incapable of doing.

What I'm getting at is, it has been confirmed that we will meet this girl in 3.5. Her single bladed gauntlet and weighted fabric (there isn't a blade there) may be something she just 'does' like the rest of these special characters. However, the skills she uses are very similar to skills that monks are capable of doing. First of Wind, Shoulder Tackle, Tornado kick, ect. So that leans heavily in the direction of she is a monk.

My personal opinion, is if she were a dancer, she'd actually be using magical dances.. not sparing and meeting a monk, blow for blow.

[ZhaneX]

Just to nag at a couple things...

Thancred first calls himself a bard. Even though he, up to 2.2 quite obviously used gladiator skills, now he's been called a rogue and looks like one when he draws his weapons. Which happen to be a sword and a dagger, something we as players are incapable of equipping.

Just because he calls himself a "Bard" doesn't mean he's referring to the combat support archers pioneered by the Job Tutor in XIV. He likely refers to himself more in the sense of a traditional poet or songwriter. So this is meaningless.

Sure Yoshi-P is both, but that doesn't mean every songsmith in Eorzea has to be a bowman.

Y'shtola has been referred to as a Conjurer, though she's quite often uses Collective Unconscious, which is an AST skill.

Personally not sure I've ever seen this...an ability which uses a similar animation maybe, but I'm not sure I've ever explicitly seen it as Collective Unconscious.

Urianger is an Arcanist, however he wields a staff which is not possible by player Arcanists, (though in the 3.4 story during his brief costume change he uses a book). He also summons an Amber carbuncle, which as the lorebook states that only he has been able to do, since nobody else can get the matrix to work.

Alphinaud is an Arcanist, and as such wields a book. However, he summons an onyx carbuncle, which is again something we as players are unable to do.

May change in 3.5, with the plan to (fingers crossed) implement the ability to glamour on different colored carbuncles for egis. Assuming the translation was correct. Granted they may all the same keep these colorations exclusive to these characters, but still.

[Dualgunner]

Thancred first calls himself a bard. Even though he, up to 2.2 quite obviously used gladiator skills, now he's been called a rogue and looks like one when he draws his weapons. Which happen to be a sword and a dagger, something we as players are incapable of equipping.

Allow me to just point out all he's using is a mix between a recolored High Allagan Dagger and a regular dagger, not a sword and a dagger. We still can't mix and match which would be cool, but they are both rogue weapons.

[Dorander]

Just to nag at a couple things...



Just because he calls himself a "Bard" doesn't mean he's referring to the combat support archers pioneered by the Job Tutor in XIV. He likely refers to himself more in the sense of a traditional poet or songwriter. So this is meaningless.


Sure Yoshi-P is both, but that doesn't mean every songsmith in Eorzea has to be a bowman.


Personally not sure I've ever seen this...an ability which uses a similar animation maybe, but I'm not sure I've ever explicitly seen it as Collective Unconscious.


May change in 3.5, with the plan to (fingers crossed) implement the ability to glamour on different colored carbuncles for egis. Assuming the translation was correct. Granted they may all the same keep these colorations exclusive to these characters, but still.

That was my point on the bard thing. In no way was he a player character bard. He just called himself that, and used gladiator skills.

The first time Y'shtola uses it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4My...=youtu.be&t=10

Another time she uses it (about 10 minutes in)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEx3f3sJFME

I mean.. really? You want to say that this isn't the AST skill collective unconciousness?

Yes, we 'may' get egi glamours in 3.5. However, 'currently' those carbuncles are character specific and original to them.

Allow me to just point out all he's using is a mix between a recolored High Allagan Dagger and a regular dagger, not a sword and a dagger. We still can't mix and match which would be cool, but they are both rogue weapons.

Forgive my oversight. However, as you said: we cannot mix and match equipment. Which was my point.

[ZhaneX]

The first time Y'shtola uses it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4My...=youtu.be&t=10

Another time she uses it (about 10 minutes in)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEx3f3sJFME

I mean.. really? You want to say that this isn't the AST skill collective unconciousness?

Given the fact that both of those video clips are taken from long, LONG before we even knew AST was a thing...I mean really? You think AST as we know it was in development as far back as 1.0?

Yeah, from a story perspective it makes sense. She's Sharlayan Born, so it's possible she may have studied Astrology and picked up some of their skills, cross-classing things naturally what the game system won't let us.

But in actuality, viewing it from the outside as a game? Saying "This skill looks like Collective Unconscious, so it must be" isn't different than the "Hints" of Dancer that you're vehemently against.
It's far more likely that they took the animation and decided to reuse it. Nothing more, nothing less.

[Lufir]

My personal opinion, is if she were a dancer, she'd actually be using magical dances.. not sparing and meeting a monk, blow for blow.

You made a few good points but this caught my attention the most. There is no way that the concept of something so silly and useless as Dancer would be able to match a Monk's fighting skill. It is just laughable at the thought that a "Dancer" is giving the Monk a run for his money in hand-to-hand combat.

And I don't know why people believe just because she has a few seconds of graceful moving to show the elegance of martial arts, she is automatically a Dancer.

[silentwindfr]

You made a few good points but this caught my attention the most. There is no way that the concept of something so silly and useless as Dancer would be able to match a Monk's fighting skill. It is just laughable at the thought that a "Dancer" is giving the Monk a run for his money in hand-to-hand combat.

And I don't know why people believe just because she has a few seconds of graceful moving to show the elegance of martial arts, she is automatically a Dancer.

some people will have said in the past: they are no way that an old woman can give a run to a karaté master, until a certain aikido art was created. we are in a fantasy world, dancer (if that what she is) can perfectly be good fighter. i will say itanother time, the difference of her animation are too masive, she use a weapon monk don't use. and no, every skill pointed as skill from the monk are not! they have totally different animation. i wish people take the time to really look at the ingame animation of skill they point as skill of monk she use. she don't use any monk skill, she use her own moveset.

what she is that a big question, we say dancer, mostly because her attire match up somehow penelo attire in FF12 revenant wing. (who is a dancer). her movement are gracefull and can be identified as dancing step too. she is acrobatic, mostly use her feet.

now i want to point some stuff that people tend to ignore for try to justify something that can't be justified. Yoshida have always said that we will never see another weapon type added to the class. they will not develop animation for different race or sex (only the job define the animation). that know, how is possible to say she is a monk when she is sooo different. they are both fighter, yes.... both monk? no only the WoL is a monk.

and i invite people to take 5 minutes and go ingame check the animation of the.... monk skill she seems to use for see they are totally different.

ps: it's highly possible that a dancing school was created in ala miggho for protect the leader, keeping dancer at hand able to fight is not something unheard....sword dancing is not a thing without reason.

[Reynhart]

now i want to point some stuff that people tend to ignore for try to justify something that can't be justified. Yoshida have always said that we will never see another weapon type added to the class.

Monks already have mounted blades in the game...

they will not develop animation for different race or sex (only the job define the animation). that know, how is possible to say she is a monk when she is sooo different. they are both fighter, yes.... both monk? no only the WoL is a monk.

Because...it's...a...cutscene.

and i invite people to take 5 minutes and go ingame check the animation of the.... monk skill she seems to use for see they are totally different.

And I invite you to look at Heavensward trailer. DRG can't throw spears downwards, WAR can't dodge roll a firebreath. Or the ARR trailer. Shield Bash doesn't knockback, the channeling/casting animation of the BLM are incoherent to be Flare or any Fire spell, the BRD did a shield unaivalable to us, and the WAR parried an attack from behind and followed with a roundhouse axe move not present in the game.

This...is...called...cutscene.

EDIT : Oh, and I suppose the lady is not a hyur also, since the in-game bust slider doesn't go up to that size, right ?

[silentwindfr]

Monks already have mounted blades in the game...

we are not talking of the picture of the logo, but of the clothing with metal part attached to it

Because...it's...a...cutscene.

and it's a cut scene of a fight, where the WoL show us monk classical move and animation... nice to ignore the fact that she do have set of movement and skill that are different by animation, while the WoL us the animation of the game. nice nice.

i will go farer, you are like some soo adamant that she is a monk, when everything she do is not monk like that it's disturbing! the reason you guys say she is a monk is because....she use her feet and hand for fight. dark knight have a kick, do it's actually a.... monk?
instead to be there trying to justify what can't be... why not accept that some stuff feel fishy. most of your argument are lacking any investigation. because it's a cut scene it can explain all! she is fighting with her hand and her feet she is a monk.

what we did said, is her movement is too different of the monk we know, plus in the game the school of the monk from ala miggho are already known, and they have the same fighting style.

like i did explain countless if they make something soo much different while going so far to give her a clear style of fighting and way to move.... even for a cutscene... it too unnatural... they never do anything without reason, they did elude every question about the red lady for the rest of the fanfest for a reason.

i will be more clear, they did give us hint for age about what is coming. 2nd anniversary event, yoshida npc in the dev room say us that they work on red mage or samurai. gamecon this year, saying that the summer event do give us hint to the job. and strangely the yellow ranger end him emote with a classical dancer pose of ff11...

instead to be soo adamant, look at the whole picture. we did give tons of point that you guys push out without even try to look at the whole picture, that tiring. because every single arguement you have bring soo far are soo wrong.

an example, about this blade shown in the logo (not in the trailer by the way) the blade come from a bracer, not from a fist weapon, what is the patra of dusk vigil. the patra you use as....monk arugment are a totally different weapon. the blade come from something hold in the hand, covering most of the hand. the blade in the logo come from the bracer, what is not the same, not the same way to use it. and i can continue like this for age. every single argument about her being monk are soo.... *sighs*

even if it's a cut scene the fact that her style is soo different, when being said to be a character that we will meet, meaning ending to see fight in msq at some point. means they develop her style and such, but you know what, even if they try to give leader special skill and such, they often end with a few skill, not a whole set of movement like her. the admiral outside the fact she use a gun have what 2-3 move. the oracle have almost none (we never see her fight), rauhban is a particular case, but is often called gladiator and some of the skill use are skill that was take out when they did the pass for add the jobs.

anyway, instead to say what she is not by only looking at the Cut scene, why not see the whole picture for one time and look really at what we have at hand.... every single image they have give us wasn't done without reason. every time it's well controled. even the picture of Zeno (what was not needed) is hinting to a possible samurai.

anyway, i will conclude by this, she is not a monk of final fantasy 14,the same monk that is coming from school of the fist of Raghr, often called destroyer.... her movement don't say i'm powerfull, every strike i do will break you... no, they say i'm agile, gracefull, hit fast... that the whole point, her personality as fighter is too way far from what is a monk in FF14 that it's why people are wondering.

[Reynhart]

i will go farer, you are like some soo adamant that she is a monk, when everything she do is not monk like that it's disturbing! the reason you guys say she is a monk is because....she use her feet and hand for fight. dark knight have a kick, do it's actually a.... monk?

Let's roll back on that one, because you're taking it completely backwards. It started with "She uses kicks so she must be a Dancer", and I replied "Well, MNK uses kicks too". So, those kicks actually proves nothing about a DNC. If you're advocating for a new job, you have to bring actual proof of it, not just denying proof of the opposite.

like i did explain countless if they make something soo much different while going so far to give her a clear style of fighting and way to move.... even for a cutscene... it too unnatural...

No, it's not. Just look at the in-game cutscenes, and you'll see plenty of moves performed by NPC with confirmed classes, like Thancred or Yda. And again, every move from the HW trailer is different from what DRG actually do in the game. So, again, this proves nothing to back up a new job.

they never do anything without reason, they did elude every question about the red lady for the rest of the fanfest for a reason.

Yes, because we'll know who she is in patch 3.5.

I will be more clear, they did give us hint for age about what is coming. 2nd anniversary event, yoshida npc in the dev room say us that they work on red mage or samurai.

No, they asked if they should work on Samurai, Red Mage and Blue Mage...

Gamescon this year, saying that the summer event do give us hint to the job. and strangely the yellow ranger end him emote with a classical dancer pose of ff11...

Or a NPC wearing a full Red gear for Red Mage ? Or the fact that they were 3 ? Or the fact that the other two jobs might have iconic Yellow or Black gear ? In fact, they could hint at so much things that you only narrow down to what pleases you. But keep in mind, we're not saying that we won't have Dancer in this expansion. We're just saying that nothing is actual proof of the trailer showing a Dancer.

when being said to be a character that we will meet

IIRC, he didn't say that we'll meet her, only that her identity will be revealed in 3.5.

even the picture of Zeno (what was not needed) is hinting to a possible samurai.

No, it's not. Garlemald Legatus all have their own unique weapons and style totally unrelated to available jobs.

her movement don't say i'm powerfull, every strike i do will break you... no, they say i'm agile, gracefull, hit fast... that the whole point, her personality as fighter is too way far from what is a monk in FF14 that it's why people are wondering.

Strange, I'm pretty sure the main mechanic of MNK is Greased Lightning...and they uses skills like Feathefoot...and Fists of Wind...
And, for the record, here's the description of Pugilist :

• “The path of the pugilist is one of incessant training aimed at mastering the traditional techniques of hand-to-hand combat. Though pugilists command formidable power when unarmed, they are wont to use metal, leather, and bone weaponry to maximize their destructive potential.
  Their preference for fighting at close quarters makes negotiating distances an absolute necessity. Many among them accomplish this by avoiding burdensome armor, allowing for maximum mobility while they move in for the kill.”

Again, if you want to prove that someone is a Dancer, you have to bring points that only apply to Dancers. If those points can be applied to anything else that alreadys exists in the game, it proves nothing. Especially since all those points can be applied to the same existing concept, which is...Monk.