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  1. #221
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    ZhaneX's Avatar
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    Zana Amariyo
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dorander View Post
    The first time Y'shtola uses it:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4My...=youtu.be&t=10

    Another time she uses it (about 10 minutes in)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEx3f3sJFME

    I mean.. really? You want to say that this isn't the AST skill collective unconciousness?
    Given the fact that both of those video clips are taken from long, LONG before we even knew AST was a thing...I mean really? You think AST as we know it was in development as far back as 1.0?

    Yeah, from a story perspective it makes sense. She's Sharlayan Born, so it's possible she may have studied Astrology and picked up some of their skills, cross-classing things naturally what the game system won't let us.

    But in actuality, viewing it from the outside as a game? Saying "This skill looks like Collective Unconscious, so it must be" isn't different than the "Hints" of Dancer that you're vehemently against.
    It's far more likely that they took the animation and decided to reuse it. Nothing more, nothing less.
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  2. #222
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    Riley Fuller
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    Fine, whatever. I'm throwing in the towel. Believe what you want, I'll do the same. Tired of banging my head against a wall.
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  3. #223
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dorander View Post
    My personal opinion, is if she were a dancer, she'd actually be using magical dances.. not sparing and meeting a monk, blow for blow.
    You made a few good points but this caught my attention the most. There is no way that the concept of something so silly and useless as Dancer would be able to match a Monk's fighting skill. It is just laughable at the thought that a "Dancer" is giving the Monk a run for his money in hand-to-hand combat.

    And I don't know why people believe just because she has a few seconds of graceful moving to show the elegance of martial arts, she is automatically a Dancer.
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    Last edited by Lufir; 10-20-2016 at 10:27 AM.

  4. #224
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    People are over thinking the class we saw in the teaser trailer. She is clearly a Dancer. The real question here is are we ACTUALLY getting it for 4.0?
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    Suzuko Seki
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    I don't even think they confirmed what she even was to begin with. I'm quite sure if she was a monk, that would have been stated already. We will find out sooner or later, no need for people to get so upset over it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seoulstar View Post
    I don't even think they confirmed what she even was to begin with. I'm quite sure if she was a monk, that would have been stated already.
    If I show you a yellow apple, should I have to specifically called it an "apple" before some people point out that '"It's yellow so it must be a lemon" ?
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    Last edited by Reynhart; 10-20-2016 at 06:32 PM.

  7. #227
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reynhart View Post
    If I show you a yellow apple, should I have to specifically called it an "apple" before some people point out that '"It's yellow so it must be a lemon" ?
    I am just saying it's a possibility. I don't care to be honest, if she's a monk, ok. If she's not a monk, ok. I fail to understand why people are getting so bent out of shape over this. Until Yoshi or whoever tells what she is. I think it's fine for people to say whatever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seoulstar View Post
    I don't even think they confirmed what she even was to begin with. I'm quite sure if she was a monk, that would have been stated already.
    I could have sworn I read that someone during a Q&A asked Yoshida about this, only to be cut off and quickly going to the next question.
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    * The sad thing is that FFXIV turned RDM into a turret, and people think that's what it's supposed to be. It's supposed to combine sword and magic into something more, not spend the bulk of gameplay spamming spells and jump into melee for only 3 GCDs before scurrying back to the back line like good little casters.
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  9. #229
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    Quote Originally Posted by Duelle View Post
    I could have sworn I read that someone during a Q&A asked Yoshida about this, only to be cut off and quickly going to the next question.
    Towards the end of the Live Q&A, someone did get up to ask Yoshi-P something about her. Whether it was her identity or her class or what, only he knows. As well I can't say whether he stopped himself and passed the mic along realizing the question would certainly be a wasted effort, or if the staff member managing the mic realized what he was starting to ask, stopped him, and then gave it to someone else.
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    Florence Leduc
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lufir View Post
    You made a few good points but this caught my attention the most. There is no way that the concept of something so silly and useless as Dancer would be able to match a Monk's fighting skill. It is just laughable at the thought that a "Dancer" is giving the Monk a run for his money in hand-to-hand combat.

    And I don't know why people believe just because she has a few seconds of graceful moving to show the elegance of martial arts, she is automatically a Dancer.
    some people will have said in the past: they are no way that an old woman can give a run to a karaté master, until a certain aikido art was created. we are in a fantasy world, dancer (if that what she is) can perfectly be good fighter. i will say itanother time, the difference of her animation are too masive, she use a weapon monk don't use. and no, every skill pointed as skill from the monk are not! they have totally different animation. i wish people take the time to really look at the ingame animation of skill they point as skill of monk she use. she don't use any monk skill, she use her own moveset.

    what she is that a big question, we say dancer, mostly because her attire match up somehow penelo attire in FF12 revenant wing. (who is a dancer). her movement are gracefull and can be identified as dancing step too. she is acrobatic, mostly use her feet.

    now i want to point some stuff that people tend to ignore for try to justify something that can't be justified. Yoshida have always said that we will never see another weapon type added to the class. they will not develop animation for different race or sex (only the job define the animation). that know, how is possible to say she is a monk when she is sooo different. they are both fighter, yes.... both monk? no only the WoL is a monk.

    and i invite people to take 5 minutes and go ingame check the animation of the.... monk skill she seems to use for see they are totally different.

    ps: it's highly possible that a dancing school was created in ala miggho for protect the leader, keeping dancer at hand able to fight is not something unheard....sword dancing is not a thing without reason.
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