With Eve gone, only sub based MMOs left are FFXIV and WoW

[Naunet]

Because people begged for a cash shop and SE is not just going to say "na, we don't want easy money, we'll pass" thus the cash shop is born. and is slowly getting worse and worse. because people are actually PAYING the absurd prices in it, thus they keep going up, pretty soon it will have outfits for $ 35-50 and people will buy them.

In other words, people want to throw money at SE and they have their bags open, over half the stuff in there could have easily been actual in game rewards, for example: the odin mount could have been a drop from the ACTUAL odin fight. but that would make to much sense, Slap a price tag on it and watch the whales swim in.

They dig their own graves. :/ Kudos to them for messing it up for everyone else.

[Chiramu]

Choose 2

[MMORPG]
[Free 2 Play]
[Good]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8Rg_UBllyA

FFXIV is not the giant you see it as.

[Dualgunner]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8Rg_UBllyA

FFXIV is not the giant you see it as.

AdventureQuest 3D is on that list. As much as I love Artix Entertainment their specialty is Online Browser SRPGs, so I have doubts as to its validity; also it's "Upcoming", XIV has been around too long to be considered "Upcoming".

EDIT: I'm not saying XIV is a giant or best or anything like that. Just saying the list you brought up...is sort of irrelevant to the conversation lol

[Chiramu]

AdventureQuest 3D is on that list. As much as I love Artix Entertainment their specialty is Online Browser SRPGs, so I have doubts as to its validity; also it's "Upcoming", XIV has been around too long to be considered "Upcoming".

EDIT: I'm not saying XIV is a giant or best or anything like that. Just saying the list you brought up...is sort of irrelevant to the conversation lol

Keep watching, the guy also said at the start that not many MMOs are being released because the studios are working on mobile games(SE is working on too many mobile games too fyi ><). The ones at the top of the list are by far 100x greater than the Adventure Quest 3D, the guy also said it might not be everyones' cup of tea. How much did you watch of the video anyway? O_o

And if you think it's irrelevant then you will never know innovation in the MMO genre. Those games on that list were all extremely innovative compared to SE and FFXIV.

[Dualgunner]

And if you think it's irrelevant then you will never know innovation in the MMO genre. Those games on that list were all extremely innovative compared to SE and FFXIV.

I'll freely admit (and apologize) that originally I latched onto the familiar title of AQ3D because I'm quite familiar with Artix Entertainment's works. I say it's...somewhat irrelevant to try and find innovation in XIV, because I don't think it will ever escape the shadow of XIV 1.0's failure.

Though you're right, it would be nice to see XIV take more innovative moves with their game and some of the MMOs on that list do look cool, I can see why they're playing it safe.

[Xiao_]

I was reading that one line about F2P adding toxicity and I LUL'd. FFXIV has a very toxic community, if you don't agree with the FFXIV crowd about how great the game is even when it's boring you better get ready to burn in Hell XD.

this thread, or the dancer speculation thread are perfect examples of this
"STOP THINKING THINGS THAT I DON'T AGREE WITH" seems to be the way a good portion of this community operates

[sydh]

EVE is not going full F2P. It's getting a very very limited free tier. All it really is can be thought of as a non-time gated trial for a paid game. You know how XIV gets a free trial for 14 days and you have tons of restrictions? Well it's that with no time limit. The EVE version is just as heavily capped in what you can do.

(XIV trial restrictions) http://support.na.square-enix.com/fa...5382&kid=70929
(EVE Alpha Clone restrictions) https://community.eveonline.com/news...to-eve-online/


EVE, Alpha Clone (F2P account) restrictions.
Alpha State, on the other hand, will be much different. The most important thing to know about Alpha clones is that they may only use a specific set of skills and skill levels. To begin with, we are planning that the Alpha skill set will be focused on using tech one Frigates, Destroyers and Cruisers. Alpha clones will only be able to use ship and weapon skills native to their faction. If you have skills trained on a character in Alpha State, which are not part of the Alpha skill set, those skills will be locked and unusable until Omega state is reactivated. Characters will start the game with the same 400,000 skill points as they do now and will be able to train freely within the Alpha list. A fully trained Alpha will have roughly 5 million skill points. You can find the full Alpha list in the Q&A below the blog.

If you compared the F2P bolded skill point restrictions to the normal paid version (Omega Clone) you can see how limited it is one part of it is. Right now you can get up to well over 500 million skill points. EVE, for the most part is a game about time. The time it takes for you to train up new skills to pilot better ships. No matter how much time you play past the 5 million mark you will never progress in your skills or what you can fly.

[ChocoFeru]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8Rg_UBllyA

FFXIV is not the giant you see it as.

"Anime-like MMOs" ._. no.

[Reynhart]

League Of Legends, Crossfire, Dungeon Fighter Online, Worlds Of Tanks and DOTA2 are not MMORPG...
So, the three best grossing MMORPG are...pay to play...

[Watachy]

Litterally waiting for stormblood to fix my opinion.
Actually SE is making a lot of money with the sub but ain't using it to develop innovations or content more interesting into the game.