Main Scenario Restriction Bloodstorm - Very Very Bad idea.

[Chalbee]

I'm conflicted about this because I definitely don't believe you should be able to jump immediately into the endgame, BUT I also don't think that so much needs to be gated behind the MSQ. Specifically, I don't see why zones and jobs are gated behind the MSQ. I also don't see why the MSQ is so heavily padded/inflated. There could easily be 1/2 of the quests in the ARR storyline without losing any of the actual substance.

[AlexionSkylark]

I'm conflicted about this because I definitely don't believe you should be able to jump immediately into the endgame, BUT I also don't think that so much needs to be gated behind the MSQ. Specifically, I don't see why zones and jobs are gated behind the MSQ. I also don't see why the MSQ is so heavily padded/inflated. There could easily be 1/2 of the quests in the ARR storyline without losing any of the actual substance.

The MSQ is the actual star of the game. The game is all about its story, and therefore, the MSQ. If you don't want to play the MSQ, it's like saying you don't want to play FFXIV.

[Lexia]

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Actually, the biggest issue with FFXIV 1.0 is exactly that it was too much like XI, gameplay-wise. It felt like I was playing a next-gen version of XI, instead of another game. Its gameplay was VERY dated.

That is not the reason it failed this has been gone over in other threads. 1.0 did not fail cause it was too much like XI it failed cause it was released too early with no content and ran like a horrible piece of...

[SendohJin]

The MSQ is the actual star of the game. The game is all about its story, and therefore, the MSQ. If you don't want to play the MSQ, it's like saying you don't want to play FFXIV.

Umm... no. each patch the MQS doesn't last me through to the next weekly lockout. even as someone who does care about the story it is only a very small part of the game and not a determining factor in why i sub 6 months at a time since Early Access 2.0.

[Blood-Aki]

Making niche games nowadays doesn't make you tons of money anymore. Just see at Wildstar and its attempt to gather the "hardcore raiders" back. Was a big success wasn't it?

Regardless, if people go to the "swimming pool" and "sit there next to the water", it's not your concern: they paid to sit in that swimming pool and all they (the company who knows the pool) only care about their money. How they spend it is none of your concern.

Yea, much like how you can buy a huge dinner, and let it sit there and do nothing but talk, in the end you more or less wasted your money instead of staying at home. as with an RPG you treat it as a social media instead of using actual social medias. No one said you can't do that, but you aren't using it as intended.

Corrected that for you, mostly because the driving force of an MMORPG isn't story alone. I mean as someone said to me regarding why 1.0 failed:

IF you are going to "correct" it then you even did that wrong, it's a "Massive Multiplayer online ROLE PLAYING GAME, Hence MMORPG" it's still a role playing game, you just play with OTHERS, does not change it's meaning. You don't find many people on fighting games only going on to talk, and never actually fighting. maybe very rare cases, since we have this issue. and 1.0 failed because it was plain and simple a bad game, to many flaws and not enough actual fun. not to mention it was PC only with way to high req needed where you needed a REALLY good pc just to be able to handle it. Cutting off most players.

In other words, story alone didn't make 1.0 worth its price tag because the gameplay was trash beyond belief, or else the game wouldn't shut down.
Story is important yes, but alone it won't make the game go further and 1.0 was a good lesson to remember.

It's called a balance, it wouldn't work without a story either, Like if you just made a character, and there was no CSs, and it just said "here, make a character and go do whatever, no need to talk to anyone" it needs BOTH, as any ROLE PLAYING game does.

Every game has some kind of story to it. regardless of how minor because creators like to give reasons behind there creations.

[loreleidiangelo]

The MSQ is the actual star of the game. The game is all about its story, and therefore, the MSQ. If you don't want to play the MSQ, it's like saying you don't want to play FFXIV.

You're right, we should all just unsub after we complete the MSQ for each content patch. After all, this game isn't about dungeons, or trials, or housing, or crafting, or Savage raiding; it's all about a series of dialogue boxes that the devs have freely given you the option to spam-click/esc button out of.

[alimdia]

That is not the reason it failed this has been gone over in other threads. 1.0 did not fail cause it was too much like XI it failed cause it was released too early with no content and ran like a horrible piece of...

But you said story matters more than content and people who only play for content shouldn't be playing this game, so 1.0 could've had just story and it should have worked according to you, yet it didn't.

Maybe this game is not a visual novel and it's more than just story, and you should respect the reason why other people play instead of wishing they wouldn't play this game, because whether they press esc in cutscenes and don't read quests or press a skip all msq button, none of this affects you at all, we are capable of enjoying the story without forcing it on others. Wishing someone would leave or wouldn't play because they don't enjoy the same thing as you is just silly.

[Evumeimei]

This is not a single player FF game. Some. People. Do. Not. Play. For. The. Story.

MMOs bring all types of players, not just fans of the franchise. To have a healthy MMO you have to cater somewhat to people outside the FF fandom.

I haven't played that many FF games, actually. I only played through FF7 and played a bit of the Tactics games. I've never really considered myself part of the fandom (at least before I started playing this game), so you can set the assumption aside.

Anyways, I did say it was my opinion. I understand that not everyone will agree with me, and that's okay. I just feel that if you plan to skip 70-80% of a game just to get to that one part you want, then maybe you don't really like the game that much.

[AlexionSkylark]

That is not the reason it failed this has been gone over in other threads. 1.0 did not fail cause it was too much like XI it failed cause it was released too early with no content and ran like a horrible piece of...

The biggest complaint from people who DID NOT come from XI was the gameplay, along with the lack of content (most non-XI players didn't even had the patience to get to llvl 50). You had a game in 2010 that played like a game from 2002. Go take a walk on reddit (if they still have the archives) and you'll see all the people who called XIV "FFXI 2.0 crap".

Umm... no. each patch the MQS doesn't last me through to the next weekly lockout. even as someone who does care about the story it is only a very small part of the game and not a determining factor in why i sub 6 months at a time since Early Access 2.0.

Well, that's YOUR point of view, not the devs'. Yoshida has stated time and time again how the game is entirely built around its story, and that he's actually fine about ppl who only unfreeze subs at the launch of each patch to play for a week and leave.

You're right, we should all just unsub after we complete the MSQ for each content patch. After all, this game isn't about dungeons, or trials, or housing, or crafting, or Savage raiding; it's all about a series of dialogue boxes that the devs have freely given you the option to spam-click/esc button out of.

Hey, it's not even me saying, it's Yoshida-san himself!
https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...otivation_and/

"It's alright not to play it everyday. Since it's just a game, you can stop forcing yourself if it's hard on you to keep that up. Rather, it'll just pile up unnecessary stress if you limit yourself into playing just that one game since there are so many other games out there. So, do come back and play it to your heart's content when the major patch kicks in, then stop it to play other games before you got burnt out, and then come back for another major patch. This will actually make me happier, and in the end, I think this is the best solution I can answer for keeping your motivation up for the game."

[Chalbee]

The MSQ is the actual star of the game. The game is all about its story, and therefore, the MSQ. If you don't want to play the MSQ, it's like saying you don't want to play FFXIV.

Where did I say I didn't want to play the MSQ? I said the MSQ is padded/inflated. There are many, many extraneous fetch quests that add nothing to the story, and there is no reason for 3 jobs and a handful of zones to be completely inaccessible without finishing said inflated questline. It's not about the story, the story is great. It's not so black and white as "you either love the MSQ exactly as it is, or you hate FFXIV." Please be reasonable.