Ninja SkS Build with 2100+ dps

[Krindor]

The one with SkS always tops Det by 150~200dps.

That is a way larger difference than what is logically possible with a difference in secondary stats, there's definitely something else that is causing this difference. To understand, even if SS was weighted the same as crit, 200 DPS would be roughly be equal to 160 more dex. Det is at 0.2 and let's say SS is at 0.3. That's 160/(SS-DET)=1600, so unless SS is valued a lot more than any theorycrafter thought and they are both compared at 1600 each the difference would be that much.

[Yeol]

That is a way larger difference than what is logically possible with a difference in secondary stats...

MCH Hypercharge + WAR Storm's Eye

Edit: Also landing more attacks than the average NIN before the boss becomes untargetable + more attacks while Hypercharge is up. Calculating this through the entire fight will make a difference in the end. (His OGC is 1.95)

[Krindor]

MCH Hypercharge + WAR Storm's Eye

So you're boosting the SS nin but not Det nin and then comparing your results? Either way it's still not going to make a huge difference, HC gives roughly 1.3% increased damage and SE something like 32 DPS if both were at 2k. I was also able to reach his parse without food nor pot and 150 less secondary stats and 9 dex less. My simulator also points that comparing the BiS and his BiS he's losing out on 50 DPS. Unless he can come up with a theoretical reason as to why SS is better than Crit and Det there's no way it can be taken seriously, practical results is basically impossible to base off as there's way too many variables to take into account.

[Yeol]

So you're boosting the SS nin but not Det nin ..

Could you send/post the video and I will forward it to him ^^

[Krindor]

Could you send/post the video and I will forward it to him ^^

If you're talking about my parse here: https://www.twitch.tv/krindor/v/95283951

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Quite funny, considering the current stat weights were made by me and I don't give skill speed a weight because of that reason.

Here's a graph showing why I rate SS so low, it's made by a simulator which accounts for most things.

[Krindor]

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If you want to go steady go with det, it's superior to SS and is the definition of steady in every possible way. SS as a stat is irregular, so putting a ton of points into it without planning worthless, it requires planning and understanding to actually utilize it. Even with that it's valued less than determination.

[Shurrikhan]

That is a way larger difference than what is logically possible with a difference in secondary stats, there's definitely something else that is causing this difference. To understand, even if SS was weighted the same as crit, 200 DPS would be roughly be equal to 160 more dex. Det is at 0.2 and let's say SS is at 0.3. That's 160/(SS-DET)=1600, so unless SS is valued a lot more than any theorycrafter thought and they are both compared at 1600 each the difference would be that much.

Most skill speed weights don't take into consideration the actual rotational improvements they can provide, just the raw rate of damage adjustment, as far as I've seen matching math for.

Back in 2.x my Skill Speed was, when right at the crucial rotational plateau, probably my largest dps contributer, and shuffling around secondary stats at the same ilvl and roughly the same accuracy showed this in my parses. The issue was simply the massive TP drain.

That said, this level of skill speed seems excessive. If his attack rate were about 3.3% less, he could still get every Dancing Edge in time, perfect his Shadow Fangs, and get the Aeolian Edge lineup with second Duality.

[Alistaire]

Most skill speed weights don't take into consideration the actual rotational improvements they can provide, just the raw rate of damage adjustment, as far as I've seen matching math for.

Back in 2.x my Skill Speed was, when right at the crucial rotational plateau, probably my largest dps contributer, and shuffling around secondary stats at the same ilvl and roughly the same accuracy showed this in my parses. The issue was simply the massive TP drain.

That said, this level of skill speed seems excessive. If his attack rate were about 3.3% less, he could still get every Dancing Edge in time, perfect his Shadow Fangs, and get the Aeolian Edge lineup with second Duality.

Also the very person you probably got those stats from says they're calculated based off normal amounts a person is likely to have, and that the weighting would go up if you went all out on it.