Level 60 unsynced dungeons need adjusting. (Including the two newest)

[Sandpark]

That is already in the game it is called enrage timer. That is usually assigned to bosses though.

People pull lots of regular enemies because they are squishy and don't hit hard. I don't think normal monsters would live long enough for an enrage timer to kick in. Hopefully SE looks into Brittle because tanks should not be able to tank tons of enemies at the same time. That is what off-tanks are for.

[Morningstar1337]

I feel like there is another issue in play. As it stands each set of dungeons have an pattern to their entry/average levels, usually being a set increase of say, 20 or so. The Level 60 besides ARF start with an entry level of 145-150 then the next set move to i160 then i180, then i200 then i210. As a result they will always be behind the capped currency gear of the relative time frame. The pattern seems to be that the first half og the raid tier includes dungeons that ate 50 ilevels lower then Savage gear followed by dungeons that are 40 ilevel lower than savage gear.

This means that anyone who raids or manages to cap tomes for a few weeks will always over-gear the dungeon. And this pattern will continue in the next patch which will give gear equivalent to the Eikonic gear.

This happened in 2.X as well while the sclae is lower due to upgraded tomegear not being a thing until Soldiery, the dungeons were still vastly overgeared due to starting form an ilevel close to the character level and increasing form there and there being no ilevel sync until later

This also means that ultimately unless they treat dungeons like raids into terms of at least entry requirements and scaling (the backlash to AK and Sirius pretty much ensures that being as likely as Blizzard going under), or change the pattern so that instead of 2 dungeons with the same requirement,s we'd have four with 2 at the beginnign and middle of the tiers and change the requirements (and Changing Expert roulette's rotation to a 2-4-2-4 pattern instead of consistent 2 per patch pattern) to match (say 4.1 and 4.2 both need an ilevel of 330 to enter instead of 4.1 needing i300 and 4.2 needing i320), then anyone that can at least cap the tomestones will always be stronger than the dungeon is made for

[Culfinrandir]

Something just occurred to me - why not have three versions of each dungeon? *Read this next bit carefully*.

Each dungeon would have three levels of difficulty, equating to normal, hard & difficult, in addition to being a story or hard dungeon. For example, Gubal Hard, which was just released, would have normal (what we have), hard & difficult. The difficulty setting is purely related to HP & other stats of the enemies plus the amount of enemies encountered; no new mechanics.

What this would allow is for those who get bored of running the same dungeons for months without variation to be able to adjust the difficulty of the runs & get better rewards for more difficult runs. The level could be selected in the DF, or if the devs baulked at that it could be via PF only but still be a roulette so you don't know *which* expert dungeon you're getting in hard mode.

It should be minimal work to implement something like this & would make a big difference to content provision.

[Alleo]

They are barely managing to give us two different dungeons per patch and also said that they cant make three different versions of Alex raids because they lack the manpower. So I am quite sure that this would not need only minimal work. And just making them have bigger HP pools does not make a dungeon better. It makes it even more tedious if it doesnt have some new mechanics.

Really why cant they just make the story mode dungeon like it is right now or maybe a little harder so that anyone can finish the story and make the Hardmode Dungeon much harder? Dont put those in the same roulette so people dont need to do them and we could have at least one dungeon to look forward too..why need to gear up if the new dungeons in the next patch does not need at least a nice amount of iLvl?

[Kaurie]

They are barely managing to give us two different dungeons per patch and also said that they cant make three different versions of Alex raids because they lack the manpower. So I am quite sure that this would not need only minimal work. And just making them have bigger HP pools does not make a dungeon better. It makes it even more tedious if it doesnt have some new mechanics.

Really why cant they just make the story mode dungeon like it is right now or maybe a little harder so that anyone can finish the story and make the Hardmode Dungeon much harder? Dont put those in the same roulette so people dont need to do them and we could have at least one dungeon to look forward too..why need to gear up if the new dungeons in the next patch does not need at least a nice amount of iLvl?

I like the idea of multiple difficulties.

Based off Square's track record, I feel that this is out of their reach, because they make everything more complicated than it needs to be (see LoV, Aquariums, glamour prisms, and so on.).

I am sure that they could develop an engine to create multiple difficulties that could then be applied to their dungeons. Creating the engine at first would be time consuming, but then the use of it once completed would be minimal. That said, I am not a software developer, and I could be wrong about this. I am mostly going off what I see in WoW, where Blizzard has multiple difficulties and seems to have a system that can blanket add mechanics/difficulties to an entire dungeon (Mythic+). The way it is presented makes it seem like it is what I said above - rather than them having created 13 different difficulties per dungeon.

[Catwho]

That could work.

One thing I also like in WoW is that there is usually 1 mob per pack that really needs to go down first - or at least be interrupted. Otherwise it will do massive aoes, fear you into other packs etc. So it works well to have at least 1 DPS focus that, instead of AoE'ing. It would work well here, where say a caster could AoE and melee could focus that mob. I think having this would help make pulling larger groups more difficult (as there would be more of these mobs to deal with). Though, once you gear up, it could be do-able if you're on point.

We have this in dungeons where a mob will cast a Void Call or Dragon's Blood. Those mobs need to die first, and need to have those moves stunned, or else they spawn something harder to kill.

[Kaurie]

We have this in dungeons where a mob will cast a Void Call or Dragon's Blood. Those mobs need to die first, and need to have those moves stunned, or else they spawn something harder to kill.

Have never seen this be an issue in a dungeon before, except like Haukke Manor and Stone Vigil. Are those the ones you meant? I don't recognize the skill names per se. Even then, the penalty for not getting the one you need to target down first is small compared to that in WoW (as I said, you'll be feared into another pack of mobs, potentially and probably wiping the group).

[aesteval]

Have never seen this be an issue in a dungeon before, except like Haukke Manor and Stone Vigil. Are those the ones you meant? I don't recognize the skill names per se. Even then, the penalty for not getting the one you need to target down first is small compared to that in WoW (as I said, you'll be feared into another pack of mobs, potentially and probably wiping the group).

I remember it in Amdapoor Keep and Snowcloak specifically. But yeah, not much of a penalty tied to it.

[Elim]

Someone recorded himself spamming one move for an entire dungeon and still clearing it.

FF14 lacks in that department. Always has, and most likely always will. SWTOR is inferior in everyway except for that, as one or two dungeons every few patches are tuned to be a little bit harder. And by that I mean you cant just spam 1 1 1 1 1 for a clear.

[Catwho]

Have never seen this be an issue in a dungeon before, except like Haukke Manor and Stone Vigil. Are those the ones you meant? I don't recognize the skill names per se. Even then, the penalty for not getting the one you need to target down first is small compared to that in WoW (as I said, you'll be feared into another pack of mobs, potentially and probably wiping the group).

Amdapor Keep normal mode has groups of mobs where one NPC starts doing a Void Call. It needs to be stunned or stopped or else the person turns into a demon. Stone Vigil and Snowcloak have the humans who use Dragonsblood and turn into an aevis. Stun or silence the move. At capped iLvl it doesn't hurt much, but when those dungeons first came out, it was necessary to prevent a wipe risk.