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    Quote Originally Posted by Mugiawara View Post
    Personally I never will do that because the drama on here is comical especially reading them at work.
    The Native American hat thing was killing me for days.
    Fanfest will most likely bring a venerable treasure trove of that stuff. "Really SE? No bunny race AGAIN!?" <- Please look forward to it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Welsper59 View Post
    What crime did you commit that a bow, wave, or hug wouldn't be enough to thank someone over? I mean... there's always monetary gifts you can give.
    The crime is his signature image, and no emote will ever be enough.
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  3. #43
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andevom View Post
    Frankly, I'd just feel like you're too lazy to type "Thank you!" and aren't as sincere.
    Which is not true in the slightest, but okay.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonverbal_communication
    Really, the only difference between nonverbal communication used in the real world and that in this game is the lack of complexity, due to all the subtle ticks like eye-movment, hand gesturing, and even vocal variety being unavailable or delivered in a static manner. Does this mean that the nonverbal communication doesn't matter or carries absolutely no meaning? I really don't think so.

    http://www.popmatters.com/post/141480-online-gaming/
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITVzR8jM9UM
    Designers of these virtual worlds always attempt to overcome limitations in verbal and written communication through not only simulated body gesturing, but through mechanical cues as well. To say that communication in a virtual space doesn't matter actually, in my opinion, vastly overlooks the level of subtle detail that is going on between players, let alone the fact that these are people controlling these characters and projecting their mood through them, it's just in ways that is not "readily apparent," which really, no non-verbal communication is in general.
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    /p Thanks a ton guys! <Take care>
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  5. #45
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    Quote Originally Posted by Windi View Post
    Which is not true in the slightest, but okay.
    If that's how someone interprets it, but you say that isn't accurate to what you're truly feeling, that validates the point that it's not a very effective way of getting the subject to properly decode the message. I only know the weight behind it because you *told* me.

    Really, the only difference between nonverbal communication used in the real world and that in this game is the lack of complexity, due to all the subtle ticks like eye-movment, hand gesturing, and even vocal variety being unavailable or delivered in a static manner. Does this mean that the nonverbal communication doesn't matter or carries absolutely no meaning? I really don't think so.
    Those are *huge* differences. And all truth be told, people are much worse at reading nonverbal cues than they think they are. Does this mean it has no merit? No, and that's nothing I even said. But in terms of the game, to suggest that somehow a canned animation created by a third party is *more effective* than a person's own words, and therefore we need another emote to convey a sentiment we can express in two words...is just silly.
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    Radiosuitcase, I'm your biggest fan. Come to Cerberus and we can hang out and stuff /thanks /gratitude
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andevom View Post
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    My bad for not prefacing my previous response. I was responding to both you and Radiosuitcase, the latter who suggested that there is no merit to the non-verbal communication used in these virtual spaces.
    Also, am I missing something, here? Where did I imply that the non-verbal FFXIV allows us is "more effective" than a person's words? I do remember saying this:
    Quote Originally Posted by Windi View Post
    On that subject, a vast majority of our communication is actually through body language, not through spoken words. You can still convey meaning through your actions in addition to what you say vocally.
    a "vast majority" describes quantity, not quality.
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    Last edited by Windi; 10-06-2016 at 08:50 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Windi View Post
    Also, am I missing something, here? Where did I imply that the non-verbal FFXIV allows us is "more effective" than a person's words?
    Because if it isn't any more effective than text, there's really no need for it is there?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andevom View Post
    Because if it isn't any more effective than text, there's really no need for it is there?
    Of course there isn't a need. Who, in this thread, said it was a need? The OP certainly didn't, and I didn't, either. What is wrong with suggesting stuff we want for this game?

    Also, the point I'm getting at with that part of my post is not to fabricate or misinterpret my arguments. It's a big issue with this community at large, unfortunately.
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