A12 savage World first 3 days after patch

[KarstenS]

But I think Creator Savage being "midcore" is difficulty is way better.

It would be better, if they did made it right. But Creator Savage is ways easier than final Coil.

In final Coil I've spent 2 weeks (3 days per week, 2,5 hrs per day) in T10 and around 3 weeks in T11.

Now in Creator Savage after the first week (2 days 2hrs and one day 3 hrs): A9 down and A10 around 50%.

[Sparktacus]

It would be better, if they did made it right. But Creator Savage is ways easier than final Coil.

In final Coil I've spent 2 weeks (3 days per week, 2,5 hrs per day) in T10 and around 3 weeks in T11.

Now in Creator Savage after the first week (2 days 2hrs and one day 3 hrs): A9 down and A10 around 50%.

I question if this is a symptomatic side effect of savage. It made players get way better than coil, so now savage raiders would find coil challenge not so challenging anymroe.

[Jetstream_Fox]

I question if this is a symptomatic side effect of savage. It made players get way better than coil, so now savage raiders would find coil challenge not so challenging anymroe.

That's hard to say, Coil was notorious for having mechanic heavy fights back in the day, T5 was some players breaking point. Then almost all of T6-T9 was nothing but a combo of dps checks and mechanics, some even have trouble with T9 to this day, and lots of people won't really attempt to help a T9 clear because of how easy it is to mess up. Even Final coil was built more towards mechanics, they all feature dps checks throughout the fights, but those checks weren't the main focus of that raid.

With Father we have high dps checks with very little to do on the mechanics side, Son gave us moderate mechanics with moderate dps checks, and now Creator is giving us low dps checks and moderate mechanics. There isn't anything consistent in the Alexander raids that really suggests that players became better with Alexander.

As it feels in my book Thordan EX and Sophia EX are very reminiscent to how coil was, and even in some regards these two primals might be the hardest things I've fought in all of 3.0.

[Sparktacus]

Just curious if anyone has an idea how the JP community is reacting as well.

[Pasquale]

Wait, what?!!

Edit:

Once again you just argue from your point of view:
True, server first kills who can beat all savage will be geared in nearly "no time" (if they have luck with RNG) but most who can clear the content need longer than a month to clear all and even then its gated behind weekly loot - you will not get such a high iLvL within 4 weeks if you are not in a server first group!

You are so out of reality...

Are you drunk?? Alex normal + scripture + sophia weapon + craftable gear o.o

[Aquaslash]

Are you drunk?? Alex normal + scripture + sophia weapon + craftable gear o.o

I believe the point she is trying to makes is that the "hardcore pro" groups are going to be geared (meaning 270'd up) very quickly because they can easily down the content. Meanwhile those of moderate and lower skill levels will take much longer.

On another note, the general impression I get from these threads is that the destination (clearing the raids) is the main goal and little else matters once you've reached that goal. My my my how times have changed. I remember when the goal was the content itself because it used to be fun enough that you wanted to play it over and over

[Watachy]

My my my how times have changed. I remember when the goal was the content itself because it used to be fun enough that you wanted to play it over and over

Which content ? The thing i've waited 4/5 months and called diadem ? The thing that everyone threw up in less than a week ? Ah ok, going back to raid personnally.

[Velhart]

That's not to say they might not release Midas/Gordias tier of difficulty in the future, but it's just not something you're guaranteed to receive. Nothing about Savage difficulty is something you are guaranteed to receive as expected. That's just the nature of any product you purchase that you are not privy to before purchase.

It is more like you never know what you are going to get next because the developers don't know what to do with raiding anymore.

[Auteur]

It is more like you never know what you are going to get next because the developers don't know what to do with raiding anymore.

The easy copout for devs is to make PvP content, because when the hardcore folks have to fight each other to advance they will naturally generate their own challenge and content. The hardcore players will still complain, chiefly over class balancing for PvP, but those complaints can be easily spliced off from the rest of the game.

Consequently, the hardcore folks get their fix and are lopped off from the vast majority of the PvE community that won't have to put up with their angst, and everyone is happy.

Personally I think it is a misnomer for any player to be "hardcore" solely off PvE content: competing against an AI is simply not analogous to fighting another live person.

[Jetstream_Fox]

It is more like you never know what you are going to get next because the developers don't know what to do with raiding anymore.

You shouldn't want to know what to expect, the patches are already predictable with tomes and the dungeons. Not even Coils were the same throughout that series, they had more consistency in terms of overall design was, but the difficulty did spike here and there. Like I stated awhile back, the reduced raid difficulty sounds like a shift in design philosophy. If that is the case, it's something that should have been done earlier or discussed about.