A12 savage World first 3 days after patch

[Welsper59]

i think that having 1 or 3 tiers could work. but having only 2 is especially unbalanced and leads to people feeling left out, which is why i think these discussions have become more heated and accusatory than they were during the 2.x days.

I'm a little curious about why 1 would work in not making people feel left out, but 2 does. The entire reason why an easier raid system exists is for people to experience it, thus not being left out of the games content (outside of difficulty experiences). Is it because the faceroll mode makes them feel like they need to take on harder challenges, but fail to because Savage is much more at the opposite end of the difficulty meter? Shouldn't that mean that even more people would feel included if only ~1% of the player base are the only ones to be disappointed by the overall "easier" Savage tier?

Keep in mind that this topic is centered around the opinion of an extremely small percentage of players, even among those of world first participation. In particular, the OP is actively in favor of the very thing that got players riled up against the devs when Gordias was released. XIV has never, even during (most of) Coil, been considered a sort of "Hell on Earth" style of difficulty to achieve game. This means that the design philosophy does not prioritize an unnecessary degree of inclusion to its content (i.e. our lack of that middle ground).

Of course, it'd be nice to have varying degrees of difficulty beyond just super easy and super hard for many things. I doubt the devs are against the idea as well, but it just comes down to how much priority that would take if it would interfere with their current plans. Plans that, as has frequently been confirmed, are decided far in advance.

Best case scenario (realistically): They're dumbing down Savage mode a little in preparation for future iterations. A better stepping stone, if you will. They'd be able to gradually let players learn and focus their attention on the need to improve. Throwing them right into the lions den, like was the case with Gordias, was a major failure that hurt the community quite badly.

Had it been an easier approach that gradually worked into something like Midas (not so much Gordias), then that's likely to be only beneficial to the raiding community. Some may grow tired of it, like the OP, but that small loss is not even remotely worth thinking about compared to the entirety of the games population and the negative impact that feeling like you could never beat something has. It just requires learning and SE guiding players through it gradually. Think T5, which was a nightmare for many people. Those mechanics now, after becoming familiar with them, are nothing at all like it once was.

[Felsea83]

I respect yoshi-p for his attitude. It's just a game. Even though he is probably on mega coin and gets to,probably, play all day long...as a job!! Still, he listens and applies what he can. I trust him with the future of this game. It's a great game and now it's even bigger for the more casual player that has other things to do in real life. *salute*

[Yukiko]

I want to emphasize how this isn't a bad trade-off. Anyone who played 1.0 can tell you that while the game was certainly visually very impressive, there was pretty much no gameplay. Under the old direction we'd probably have a fully animated MSQ and nothing else.

It's not hard to think about what could have been. Just seeing that Gaius vs the Scions fight is holy jesus amazing, but we got to allocate our money somehow.

Not entirely true because it was rushed out way too early before it was finished.
It was announced to start with 4 towns - cancelled
We had a very complex element wheel - cancelled
Stamina system - stopped evolving into something better
primals - way more planed than we had on release
crafting - crafter only was possible but not much to craft

[cammi]

Casual doesn't mean bad though. One can play casually and be a skilled player. I definitely would not say that Normal Alexander is midcore level of content.

Ah my mistake. I thought you were using the bad meaning of the word. Sorry for the mistake. :O

[Pasquale]

So, why haven't you cleared yet, if it's so easy?

Actually at a12s we are raiding 5 hours each day lol

[Zojha]

I said that having 3 tiers reasonably follows because there are 3 distinct classes of players [...]

Uhm...the latter two are not distinct at all, because "capability" or "skill" is a spectrum, rather than structured in levels. So within the "more capable" and "less capable" "classes" you put, there is another division - some people are more more capable, others are less more capable and in those "classes", again, there are differences. You can do that division ad infinitum.

Thus, the more difficulties you put up, the more people will be able to find one that suits them, so yes - 3 is better than 2. However, you could put up 10 different difficulties and some people would still end up feeling left out because they're in between two of them - that's just how it is.

[ADVSS]

idk about you guys but i feel like im gonna try savage for once this time. they did some really good things that were suggested, different looking gear from story to savage mode, also the weapons look really awesome, though i feel like they shouldve added a bridge quest for the relic but oh well. I know for a fact that just because world first prog groups cleared it in a couple days wont mean its just that easy, but it looks like something thats obtainable with a good amount of effort

[Mindylou]

Is like u say , if 99% of players are social/mid and 1% hc , they should make 99% casual/mid content and 1% content for hc. But now we have 100% for the first part

casuals pay the bills cha-ching! $$ ... not happy?
find a game that suits you better, that really is your only solution. (and that is not meant to be rude, its just fact)

I agree there should be some uber hard content for you guys, I do. BUT if it isn't here by now it isn't going to be, find a game that better suits your needs. I have left many games for my own personal reasons...its just a game after all .....isn't it?

[basketofseals]

Not entirely true because it was rushed out way too early before it was finished.
It was announced to start with 4 towns - cancelled
We had a very complex element wheel - cancelled
Stamina system - stopped evolving into something better
primals - way more planed than we had on release
crafting - crafter only was possible but not much to craft

This doesn't refute my point at all. It doesn't matter what should have been better or should have been available, ultimately, it wasn't. FFXIV 1.0 wasn't in development for a short period of time, and time they had, they spent it on graphics to the detriment of everything else.

[Velhart]

You cant say that...
If you played Limsa Storyline in 1.x, then you know why Y'shtola hasnt won against the ascian.
Y'shtola was not as week as she is since 2.x...

Somehow i get the feeling the savage after alexander will involve one of the other 2 storylines and i gonna LOVE it. I really like to know what happened with the other 2 stories (i played all 3)

Yes I can say that. The story in Limsa 1.0 is not a story segment of 2.0 or 3.0. Trauchefaunt(however you spell it) hasn't even been remotely mentioned until til now. He is still not relevant to the MSQ unless they physically put him in there. Right now he is only relevant(kind of) to the Alexander story.

Again, raid stories are not directly tied to the 2.0/3.0 campaigns. You could never do raids and it would affect little to nothing at all in the MSQ. Even in the 3.4 story, the biggest mention of Coils was "Ohh hey remember when we beat Bahamut? That was cool."

This game, unlike the F2P games, is not meant to be a second job and I'm sure a lot of people playing FF14 would prefer that it not emulate the Korean grinders.

Yet they give us relic quest grinds. Gives us a deep dungeon grind. Tomestone grinding. SE makes content with grind and RNG in mind all the time.