Yoshida, The Creator: Savage is the worst tuning ever in an MMO

[Kyne_Lyons]

I haven't read the whole topic but I think people are missing OP's issue.

The problem is not that the content is too easy, but that it's tuned wrong. If you can skip phases with "obsolete" gear, there is a problem.

Let's take Ravana EX, for example. Nowadays, it's common to just burn the boss during add phase to push Chandrahas earlier. But when it was released, you add to focus on the adds to ensure no sword pop, even though it wasn't "difficult". Even if Creator's difficulty is tuned down to make more people into raids, you shouldn't be able to screw some boss rotation that early.

Thank you for staying on topic and actually understanding the reason that I posted. I knew when I posted this that a lot of people were going to try to turn it into a "us versus them" thread and I am praying that the developers can see through the noise and understand the issue I am trying to bring attention to.

[Lulu89]

Thank you for staying on topic and actually understanding the reason that I posted. I knew when I posted this that a lot of people were going to try to turn it into a "us versus them" thread and I am praying that the developers can see through the noise and understand the issue I am trying to bring attention to.

I haven't read the whole topic but I think people are missing OP's issue.

The problem is not that the content is too easy, but that it's tuned wrong. If you can skip phases with "obsolete" gear, there is a problem.

Let's take Ravana EX, for example. Nowadays, it's common to just burn the boss during add phase to push Chandrahas earlier. But when it was released, you had to focus on the adds to ensure no sword pop, even though it wasn't "difficult".

Even if Creator's difficulty is tuned down to make more people into raids (which is good), you shouldn't be able to screw some boss rotation that early.
And apparently, the same is also true for Sophia EX.

And I ran in to MANY party's that can't push.. So it not 100%. And not every raid team will be hardcore or have 2years of raid exp under there belt like some a of us.

Again I say who cares! Just have fun and injoy the game.

[Velhart]

And I ran in to MANY party's that can't push.. So it not 100%. And not every raid team will be hardcore or have 2years of raid exp under there belt like some a of us.

Again I say who cares! Just have fun and injoy the game.

So let things be potentially broken, ill structured, and fall under amateurish like design as long as it is fun? Okay.

[Launched]

It's not as badly tuned as A3S or A4S.

So let things be potentially broken, ill structured, and fall under amateurish like design as long as it is fun? Okay.

Well...


You said it. Obviously it's an exception when you don't like it, right?

[Velhart]

It's not as badly tuned as A3S or A4S.


Well...


You said it. Obviously it's an exception when you don't like it, right?

Funny, I remember putting that up in regards to Diadem not being fun.

It is a subjective opinion. If you enjoy ill designed aspects of the content, then by all means, don't let me spoil your fun.

[Lulu89]

So let things be potentially broken, ill structured, and fall under amateurish like design as long as it is fun? Okay.

How is something being easyer broken? oo that right your hardcore..
your better then everyone so it broken.

[Lambdafish]

How is something being easyer broken? oo that right your hardcore..
your better then everyone so it broken.

Nice jab at a comment that didn't say that, Velhart said that it is broken from a design perspective, which it is. The fights are tuned so that they become disjointed, with people skipping phases and missing whole sections of fights. The gear check is low, which is not a good way to make content easier. I like the content being easier, but if people are skipping these parts of fights no problem at this stage (we have only just gotten into week 2), then the devs have failed at making any kind of meaningful gear progression or content scaling, which anyone should see as bad whether you want easy content or not.

The same can be said of Sophia, which is not a hard fight to begin with (example: Nidhogg was fine, Sophia is disjointed)

[Lulu89]

Nice jab at a comment that didn't say that, Velhart said that it is broken from a design perspective, which it is. The fights are tuned so that they become disjointed, with people skipping phases and missing whole sections of fights. The gear check is low, which is not a good way to make content easier. I like the content being easier, but if people are skipping these parts of fights no problem at this stage (we have only just gotten into week 2), then the devs have failed at making any kind of meaningful gear progression or content scaling, which anyone should see as bad whether you want easy content or not.

The same can be said of Sophia, which is not a hard fight to begin with (example: Nidhogg was fine, Sophia is disjointed)

"Said the Hardcore/Eilits raider (the 1%) to the Casual raider (The 99%)" Again I say it not broken if if easy. Not everyone is skiping parts of the fights....

[Viridiana_Sovari]

"Said the Hardcore/Eilits raider (the 1%) to the Casual raider (The 99%)" Again I say it not broken if if easy. Not everyone is skiping parts of the fights....

You aren't the 99%. It isn't that black and white. The people who enjoyed Savage Midas are more like the 5% and you are more like the 10-15%. Stop assuming that the only people who liked Midas were those who cleared it(closer to 2%) or that by default the rest of the community is on your side. A much larger portion of the community is fine just doing normal mode in DF, MSQ, dungeons, dailies, leveling alts, crafting, and the occasional primal. If you aren't willing to make a static in the first place and schedule out the time for it then savage still isn't designed for you. If you are willing to make a static you already fall into the minority of the player base. I personally consider myself pretty casual with how I approach this game. I play for a max of 12-15 hours per week generally (closer to 4 or 5 hours after progression is done), and I'm already on the final phase of a12s. Sure we played a little more week one because of excitement over new content, but I still only played the game for maybe 20ish hours the whole week. And not all of that was spent raiding. I also completed the MSQ, did the new primal a bit, and a few dungeons to make sure I capped for the week. So now I'm looking at the next 7 months and asking myself what content do I have left to do. I am not going to enjoy this raid tier for very long b/c it flew by. With a bit of gear these fights are going to become complete joke status except maybe a12s, but it still won't be very hard after framing it for a few weeks. I personally enjoy content that challenges me as a player and I literally don't get anything that I really want until the next expansion comes out. That could very well be 7 months from now. That is a major issue. Raids are supposed to be designed to give longevity to the content and this savage tier simply doesn't give that. A11s and a12s were basically designed to be for the crowd that did midas, and then they just tuned it low. All that means is that people who still suck at mechanics will get their raids killed and the clear % won't increase that much. The same people will still be complaining in another month or so when they are stuck on a12s and thought they were finally going to be spoon fed kills.

[Lambdafish]

"Said the Hardcore/Eilits raider (the 1%) to the Casual raider (The 99%)" Again I say it not broken if if easy. Not everyone is skiping parts of the fights....

Thank you for assuming. Your argument completely fell apart with this one little sentence. I am not Hardcore, you have cleared A9S, I have not, and I got Sophia onto farm today. I am however able to look past my own skill level and analyse this game from a design standpoint, which you seem to be unable to do. You seem to have ignored the fact that I said "I like the content being easier", because apparently I'm just the 1% talking down to you, good luck with that attitude, because in a social game like this, it won't get you far.

It's just "too easy" which was NOT the OPs point

This is exactly right