Yoshida, The Creator: Savage is the worst tuning ever in an MMO

[Kyne_Lyons]

Raiding is and always has been a niche activity.

Yoshida: First, for normal, the number of players clearing is far more than we expected, which is really good. As of late October, at least about 50% of players who are actively playing battle classes have completed all four parts of normal Alexander Gordias.

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This is Normal mode. Only 50% of the playerbase will even go to normal mode, which in Midas was extremely easy.

do they have the money to invest to make a content only for 5% of the player base? something this big for only 5% of the community?

They re-use all the music, art assets, and actually expensive aspects of creating new content from Normal Mode in Savage Mode. It doesn't cost a million dollars to add another phase to a boss. Once all of that content is made for Normal mode, it costs pennies to spend time expanding fights for Savage Mode. Using World of Warcraft as an example, their developers said that 95% of the cost of content development is used creating Normal Mode, and Mythic only costs that 5% since all they're doing is paying people to tune the fights to be harder. 5% of the cost for 5% of the playerbase sounds about right.

[Pasquale]

Give a medal to the guy who made the post , THIS RAID IS TOO EASY EVEN FOR CASUAL GROUPS.

[Fawkes]

Using World of Warcraft as an example, their developers said that 95% of the cost of content development is used creating Normal Mode, and Mythic only costs that 5% since all they're doing is paying people to tune the fights to be harder. 5% of the cost for 5% of the playerbase sounds about right.

Yes, and this is the tuning you get for 5% of the cost. If you want something meticulously tuned so that the best players in the world don't beat it so fast, but the not-so-best players don't run into a wall for three months and then quit, then you need to spend a lot of time and money getting everything just right. Assuming that's even an achievable goal, and with how humongous the skill gap is in this game I'm not sure it is.

[Kyne_Lyons]

Yes, and this is the tuning you get for 5% of the cost. If you want something meticulously tuned so that the best players in the world don't beat it so fast, but the not-so-best players don't run into a wall for three months and then quit, then you need to spend a lot of time and money getting everything just right.

Wrong. Yoshida maintains a strict timetable on content balance.

Yoshida: After the members participate in the test play, they'll receive an explanation of the mechanics from the person in charge and then enter to try the battle. To maintain the major patch cycle, the adjustment period is about 5 to 7 days for each piece of content. As an example, if you include the normal and savage modes of new raid content, there can be eight pieces of new raid content in one patch.

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They have always spent the same time frame adjusting every fight, the harder content too.

[Fawkes]

They have always spent the same time frame adjusting every fight.

Exactly. And not everyone was happy with Gordias, and not everyone was happy with Midas, and now not everyone is happy with Creator. They are all just tuned in different directions. The middle ground you asked for probably doesn't exist, or if it does would cost more time/money to find.

[TinyRedLeaf]

Not everyone was happy with Gordias, and not everyone was happy with Midas, and now not everyone is happy with Creator. They are all just tuned in different directions. The middle ground you asked for probably doesn't exist, or if it does would cost more time/money to find.

Exactly.

People keep ranting about this mythical "mid-core" content, without realising that there's no such thing. What's "mid-core" for one group of players may well be hardcore for another group of players.

As the saying goes: "You can please some of the people all of the time, you can please all of the people some of the time, but you can't please all of the people all of the time."

It simply boils down to entitlement mentality: People always think their own needs matter the most, everyone else be damned. Is it any surprise, then, that the NA community is so toxic?

[SublimeIbanez]

Using World of Warcraft as an example, their developers said that 95% of the cost of content development is used creating Normal Mode, and Mythic only costs that 5% since all they're doing is paying people to tune the fights to be harder. 5% of the cost for 5% of the playerbase sounds about right.

Do you by any chance have a source for this? I'm legit curious on some of the expense requirements necessary for content like this.