DF Penalty from withdrawing from a party in progress should be removed

[Paladinleeds]

I do agree that 30 minutes isn't enough of a deterrent to troll behavior, but your post lost merit with those bolded statements. Not that it matters, because GMs aren't going to want to have to deal with the endless "player disputes" that would result from changes like that and therefore they won't be made to begin with.

I wonder if you realize that sometimes people actually legitimately lose their internet connections through no fault of their own. I also wonder what makes you think these people deserve to lose their DF privileges for 72 hours as a result.

Well something has to be done about troll behaviour, and the reason I put the stuff in bold in is to try and stop the get out of jail free card by getting kicked or disconnecting until the end of the dungeon. It's harsh, but I'm not sure what else we can do to combat trolls. If someone legitimately lost connection and can prove it to the GMs, then it'd be reversed. I agree, I forgot to include that statement in my original post. But that's the thing, we need to find more improved ways to combat the trolls. If my ideas don't work (as you say they don't), what else can we do to combat it?

wth is this, Jail Time Online? God man you need a hug

If it combats trolls, so be it.

[Bixillarla]

Really ? honestly i did not know that, when i ended my WM weapon they only offered me the WM weapon

Change into the job you want the weapon for then talk to the guy. You can go in as any job and when you get to 30/30 switch to the job you want the weapon for and talk to the guy to keep it. Don't have to play that job in POTD to get the weapon.

[Xiao_]

If someone legitimately lost connection and can prove it to the GMs, then it'd be reversed.

I mean, I'm happy to hear that you've literally never had connection trouble in your life, but there's no real proof that your connection died. Especially if it's on your ISPs end. Honestly it sounds to me like you just want to troll people yourself, getting people blocked from dutyfinder for 72 hours because they lost connection is straight up trolling.

What was that quote? "He who fights with monsters should be careful lest he thereby become a monster"

[Paladinleeds]

I mean, I'm happy to hear that you've literally never had connection trouble in your life, but there's no real proof that your connection died. Especially if it's on your ISPs end. Honestly it sounds to me like you just want to troll people yourself, getting people blocked from dutyfinder for 72 hours because they lost connection is straight up trolling.

What was that quote? "He who fights with monsters should be careful lest he thereby become a monster"

Actually, I HAVE lost my connection before. And enough such that if this was in-game I'd get locked out for 72 hours. And as I said, if someone can show me some better ideas for how to combat trolls, I'm all ears. The thing is, I'm already aware that my idea has flaws. And actually no, this isn't trolling. Unless I can hear some other ideas, I am deadly serious. And last time someone pushed me to the point of proving how much I stand by my opinions, I got banned from the forums for 10 days because I went to the far extreme on how much I stood by my opinions. Even though everything I said was deadly serious. Oh, and I did speak to the GMs about it, they refused to permanently ban me on that occasion because it was a first offfence.

However, I get you about it being difficult to prove, that was a short-sightedness on my part. But as I say, I don't know what other options we have here. At least with the severity of what I'd come out with, it closes multiple loopholes for trolls.

[MilesSaintboroguh]

I don't think the "unless you can come up with something better, my idea stands" is ideal whatsoever. Longer penalties are needed, but a 3 day ban from all in game content just screams comically serious.

[Paladinleeds]

I don't think the "unless you can come up with something better, my idea stands" is ideal whatsoever. Longer penalties are needed, but a 3 day ban from all in game content just screams comically serious.

Others might not like my idea, and that's ok, but like I've mentioned in my previous post, I haven't seen any other ideas. And I did read the thread, and while it's entirely possible there were ideas that I missed (I am human after all, and there are things that I don't always see), I didn't see any other ideas about how to combat it. But here's the thing, so far we've surmised from my suggestion that longer penalties are a good idea. But the disconnection issues are a gaping flaw in the idea. What middle ground therefore can we propose to try and tighten up trolls (the other parts of my idea that people say made it lost merit were designed so that the trolls didn't have loopholes to get around it. I was trying to be very thorough in closing up loopholes on that front), but without it putting legitimate players who have connection issues and stuff at too much of a disadvantage?

I can accept that the "unless you can come up with something better, my idea stands" way my post came across causes further issues, and for that I apologise. It's just in my eyes, in the absence of other ideas, I personally stand by my idea. Let's put forward some other ideas, have a good discussion about them, and find a middle ground. As bullheaded as I may seem, presented with compelling ideas, I do listen.

[MilesSaintboroguh]

As far as I seen with most online games in the past several years, disconnects are either ignored or treated as a loss and I believe it's because no one knows how to handle such a situation. I mean, if I lost power and had to eat a 3 day penalty because of it, I'd be unsubbing faster than you could blink. I seen other people suggesting revoking the rewards from the run until it is completed or until the next day.

[Paladinleeds]

As far as I seen with most online games in the past several years, disconnects are either ignored or treated as a loss and I believe it's because no one knows how to handle such a situation. I mean, if I lost power and had to eat a 3 day penalty because of it, I'd be unsubbing faster than you could blink. I seen other people suggesting revoking the rewards from the run until it is completed or until the next day.

Now the idea of revoking rewards, I like it. However the main thing I'm worried about is, will it stop trolls. Are trolls trolling for the rewards or are they trolling because they just want to annoy people? And for the latter, is it possible to file a report to GMs if someone is trolling you in a dungeon? Say by constant ninjapulling (even after being asked to stop several times), being rude, etc. And even after kicking them they get back in through party in progress and carry on? Those are just some of the things I am worried about.

And here's the thing, now I've seen another idea put forth. I'm now able to discuss those. We've already seen my idea won't work too well due to too much collateral damage and way too strict, and we now have other possible avenues for handling this. So, this helps open the floor for finding a middle ground, in my opinion. Also, have a like, because that seems like a solid idea. Now, we can work on refinements for these ideas, and find a good solution.

[MilesSaintboroguh]

Most people troll because it's funny. Others troll out of protest or frustration, such as tanks or healers getting sick of bad players, so they sabotage them out of spite. It's not something you can just pinpoint to the source and say "ok let's cure the problem". I report trolls in duties all the time and I usually had a GM get back to me for more details in the report.

Also, people can't rejoin the same party if they got kicked out of the duty. That was patched in several months ago, so no worries about trolls rejoining.

[Paladinleeds]

Most people troll because it's funny. Others troll out of protest or frustration, such as tanks or healers getting sick of bad players, so they sabotage them out of spite. It's not something you can just pinpoint to the source and say "ok let's cure the problem". I report trolls in duties all the time and I usually had a GM get back to me for more details in the report.

Also, people can't rejoin the same party if they got kicked out of the duty. That was patched in several months ago, so no worries about trolls rejoining.

Well the bolded part is most certainly music to my ears. However, from what you're telling me, reports are the best way to go about it. In that sense, I see trolls are already being dealt with. The thing is, I notice a good number of people who are like "Kick me" so as to avoid getting the penalty, or AFKing, or disconnecting, all so they get kicked and avoid the penalty. Any ideas on how to combat those? I mean, I do feel like we're really getting somewhere here, but just a couple of things left to iron out.