DF Penalty from withdrawing from a party in progress should be removed

[Fynlar]

I must admit, I'm of the opposite feeling. Personally, I believe the penalty isn't enough (it should be say a 72 hour penalty, no, I'm serious). Oh and this includes getting kicked from a duty (will be lifted if you can prove to the GMs that you were kicked through no fault of your own). And if you go offline for a decent period of time in duty it auto-kicks and applies the penalty. Maybe also make it so if you go offline multiple times, after going offline for the n'th time, auto-kicked and penalised. Same for if you're AFK for a period of time. As well as it being made clear to the group through the message system if someone is refusing to engage in the battle with mobs, you should kick them for AFK.

I do agree that 30 minutes isn't enough of a deterrent to troll behavior, but your post lost merit with those bolded statements. Not that it matters, because GMs aren't going to want to have to deal with the endless "player disputes" that would result from changes like that and therefore they won't be made to begin with.

I wonder if you realize that sometimes people actually legitimately lose their internet connections through no fault of their own. I also wonder what makes you think these people deserve to lose their DF privileges for 72 hours as a result.

[Paladinleeds]

I do agree that 30 minutes isn't enough of a deterrent to troll behavior, but your post lost merit with those bolded statements. Not that it matters, because GMs aren't going to want to have to deal with the endless "player disputes" that would result from changes like that and therefore they won't be made to begin with.

I wonder if you realize that sometimes people actually legitimately lose their internet connections through no fault of their own. I also wonder what makes you think these people deserve to lose their DF privileges for 72 hours as a result.

Well something has to be done about troll behaviour, and the reason I put the stuff in bold in is to try and stop the get out of jail free card by getting kicked or disconnecting until the end of the dungeon. It's harsh, but I'm not sure what else we can do to combat trolls. If someone legitimately lost connection and can prove it to the GMs, then it'd be reversed. I agree, I forgot to include that statement in my original post. But that's the thing, we need to find more improved ways to combat the trolls. If my ideas don't work (as you say they don't), what else can we do to combat it?

wth is this, Jail Time Online? God man you need a hug

If it combats trolls, so be it.

[Xiao_]

If someone legitimately lost connection and can prove it to the GMs, then it'd be reversed.

I mean, I'm happy to hear that you've literally never had connection trouble in your life, but there's no real proof that your connection died. Especially if it's on your ISPs end. Honestly it sounds to me like you just want to troll people yourself, getting people blocked from dutyfinder for 72 hours because they lost connection is straight up trolling.

What was that quote? "He who fights with monsters should be careful lest he thereby become a monster"

[Paladinleeds]

I mean, I'm happy to hear that you've literally never had connection trouble in your life, but there's no real proof that your connection died. Especially if it's on your ISPs end. Honestly it sounds to me like you just want to troll people yourself, getting people blocked from dutyfinder for 72 hours because they lost connection is straight up trolling.

What was that quote? "He who fights with monsters should be careful lest he thereby become a monster"

Actually, I HAVE lost my connection before. And enough such that if this was in-game I'd get locked out for 72 hours. And as I said, if someone can show me some better ideas for how to combat trolls, I'm all ears. The thing is, I'm already aware that my idea has flaws. And actually no, this isn't trolling. Unless I can hear some other ideas, I am deadly serious. And last time someone pushed me to the point of proving how much I stand by my opinions, I got banned from the forums for 10 days because I went to the far extreme on how much I stood by my opinions. Even though everything I said was deadly serious. Oh, and I did speak to the GMs about it, they refused to permanently ban me on that occasion because it was a first offfence.

However, I get you about it being difficult to prove, that was a short-sightedness on my part. But as I say, I don't know what other options we have here. At least with the severity of what I'd come out with, it closes multiple loopholes for trolls.

[loreleidiangelo]

Actually, I HAVE lost my connection before. And enough such that if this was in-game I'd get locked out for 72 hours. And as I said, if someone can show me some better ideas for how to combat trolls, I'm all ears. The thing is, I'm already aware that my idea has flaws. And actually no, this isn't trolling. Unless I can hear some other ideas, I am deadly serious. And last time someone pushed me to the point of proving how much I stand by my opinions, I got banned from the forums for 10 days because I went to the far extreme on how much I stood by my opinions. Even though everything I said was deadly serious. Oh, and I did speak to the GMs about it, they refused to permanently ban me on that occasion because it was a first offfence.

However, I get you about it being difficult to prove, that was a short-sightedness on my part. But as I say, I don't know what other options we have here. At least with the severity of what I'd come out with, it closes multiple loopholes for trolls.

I'mma be honest here, I think you're the only person that cares all that much about DF trolls. Some people might want harsher penalties, like people who drop the dungeon they got from the roulette to lose their roulette bonus for the day, but I don't think anyone would ever support a "F U go outside for 3 days" instance ban, no matter WHAT that guy in DF might have said about their mother.

[Lokier]

I'mma be honest here, I think you're the only person that cares all that much about DF trolls. Some people might want harsher penalties, like people who drop the dungeon they got from the roulette to lose their roulette bonus for the day, but I don't think anyone would ever support a "F U go outside for 3 days" instance ban, no matter WHAT that guy in DF might have said about their mother.

I like to think when I report cunts for being cunts they are punished in some manner, 72hours should be a "reward" for those who are proven to have abused the kick system. Since SE can't tell you what happens after you report them I've no idea if they even take the issue seriously or not.

[loreleidiangelo]

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Reporting someone for harassment is an entirely separate issue from a 72-hour instance lockout for not JUST people who are kicked for trolling, but people who have repeated d/cs from instances, or are kicked for underperforming, or kicked for whatever reason, as the person I quoted suggested. The onus shouldn't be on people to prove that they're "not guilty", there should be proper action taken for people who ARE. Also, I'd highly advise you edit your language, as I've been temp banned for strong cursing before and all it would take is one person reporting you. (I snipped your quote if you choose to edit it.)

I'd like it if someone gets kicked 3 times in an hour that they'll get a 30m penalty.

As it stands those those who do the "right" thing by willingly leaving are the ones who get punished, yet those who manipulate the system (trolls, harassers, DF fishers, etc) are rewarded for such behaviour. They also changed the system so that the kicked person can't return to that party that kicked them ... for the most part.

If you have legitimate disconnection issues then being kicked and eventually having a 30m penalty will benefit other players in that they won't have a DC'ing player to potentially ruin a dungeon/trial run and that DC'ing player can then try to do something with their issue (if they can). I know when I am having issues with my internet I'll leave a dungeon asap to try to fix an issue.

Even applying a 30-minute ban to someone who is kicked at all isn't that bad. It'll suck for the occasional innocent caught in the crossfire, but it's much easier to shrug off an unfair 30-minute lockout than it is to shrug off an unfair THREE DAY one. (As well as the mess of "appealing" a GM to fix the screw-up of what shouldn't be an acceptable system in the first place.) It's not as though misuse of the kick system can't be reported, though admittedly most people aren't stupid enough to admit in a tangible way that they're abusing it.