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    I'm with you about Aymeric, Rocl.

    Why can't we have a nice, informative dinner with Eli instead? Maybe it'll be beneficial to the multiverse.

    Oh yes, and since you mentioned if and I forgot to
    The Echo being used against us was incredible. We finally got to see that confounding effect that Gaius and Lahabrea go on about.

    Also LOL and forcing Unukalhai from the Solar.
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    MSQ Thoughts and some speculation
    I thought the Void was a distinct thing, away from the main story - a link, however tangentially, to other FF worlds? Maybe I misunderstood.

    I hope there's a chance to go to Cartenau for those of us who shun PVP. Nice to see Nero again, but I fear his new leaf turned over during Crystal Tower will get ignored. And, it's been years since I did that part of the MSQ; who was the False Griffon in Quarrymill? I've got an alt heading to that part of the story, but they're some hours away from it yet.

    On Minfilia... Some kind of resolution with her was ok, if only for Thancred's sake. I'd be happiest of all, however, if she was essentially written out of the story from now on. They didn't go for it with Nanamo, and I'd like to see some courage in the writing.

    Hype for the (hopefully) Red Mage tease with Alisae. I liked her little arc with Gu Ba. I hope we see some way out of the whole "no way back from being tempered" business. It allows us a potential way to undermine the Ascians by removing half the threat. If someone can be cured from that state, part of the fear that leads to the tribes ganging together to summon for protection might ebb away. It would scupper the self-fulfilling cycle of summoning to weaken Hydaelyn. Also, was the "sorrow-Titan" a version of how Koji talked about summons being able to differ depending on the idea used to summon them? If so, would have been nice to see a slightly different battle.

    I also thought the English VA was very good. It's been good all the way through Heavensward, but this was the best so far. The Warrior of Darkness - you could feel like his little flashes of anger really came from weariness and frustration. Alisae was really good and so was Yda. I hope that's going to be her voice going into 4.0. I also hated the squeaky lalafell type in 2.0, so I'm glad that's gone out the window.
    Generally, all the VA take the lines at pace, which takes away some of the awkwardness of long lines of dialogue, and that's what I like about it.
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    on the Griffon
    is the false one this guy: http://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/wiki/Faramund ? also, could the real one be Gaius? we never saw him actually die... kind of a twist I know, but he got mentioned in the convo between him and Elidibus like they wanted us to remember him after so long
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    Quote Originally Posted by Starkbeaumont View Post
    on the Griffon
    is the false one this guy: http://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/wiki/Faramund
    I believe the false one is Gallien from the quest He Ain't Heavy; you made medicine for him in Helping Horn.

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    "I shall refrain from making any further wild claims until such time as I have evidence."
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    Quote Originally Posted by CyrilLucifer View Post

    Also LOL and forcing Unukalhai from the Solar.
    Personally I like to just imagine that he was sitting over in a corner, maybe chiming in with a "And I'm here too".
    When everyone was renewing their devotion to the cause of the Scions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZhaneX View Post
    Personally I like to just imagine that he was sitting over in a corner, maybe chiming in with a "And I'm here too".
    When everyone was renewing their devotion to the cause of the Scions.
    That's so sad, ha!
    Unukalhai is so cute this patch. Well, he's always adorable, but he's extra adorable when

    Trying to keep you pure by taking the dirtier of deeds upon himself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CyrilLucifer View Post
    Those are my thoughts exactly on Alex.

    When it was clear what Mide is going to do I just sort of rolled my eyes. The storyline getting magically better because of muh sacrifice was just irritating for me. I can't really rationally discuss it at this point I was so annoyed.
    I just feel that, after all was said and done, if it was actually going to end with
    the possibility that Alexander freed them from their eternal prison, focusing on that moment would have made for a more powerful ending. After all that "Now we're sealing ourselves away, so the person we believe in can shape the future", for the mech itself to come out and say, "Nope, you losers have to shape the future, too," would have been a much more empowering way to make their point.


    So in a way I'm glad I did Alex first if the other stories are better.
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    Sophia's influence
    Those orange-gold corrupted crystals that formed from Bahamut's disintegration seem very similar to the effects on Sophia's Demiurges. It seems Bahamut really was empowered by the Warring Triad. That also suggested those golden crystals are an extreme manifestation of Equilibrium.
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    A few more points now that I've recovered somewhat

    MSQ
    I actually, like, just got the play on words in Xelphatol. We're in the shadow of the First Mountain racing against literal Shadows of the First World/Shard. Didn't even get the double meaning, despite arguing against expecting exposition based on quest title; though I was quick to chastise myself for discounting exposition after it totally happened anyways.


    Triad + MSQ
    So, like, if Unukalhai was purposefully ignored in the Solar, it really makes me think he's in for some terrible fate. Whether or not it's his choice is another matter, though "heroic sacrifices" are getting banal.

    Sophia's plan confuses the Meracydia timeline for me. She was captured before Bahamut, as were all the Triad, since they were house in proto-Dalamuds, right? Yet she had intended to use Bahamut to smite the Ascians? I always assumed the capturing of Bahamut was Allag's ultimate victory in Meracydia. Did she intend to raze Allag with the wyrm Bahamut or the Primal? Augh, I can't log in to rewatch cutscenes and I'm left in the lurch
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    Sorry for the long posts and for my English. Gonna write about my thoughts about the patch.

    Main story

    I liked that we could tell the NPC at the beginning that the WoL does not feel like they want to party now. If this was a single player RPG this would have been the answer to say no, but since its not I sadly had to go there. Did not wear something else and I was more than happy when the dinner ended.

    I am sorry SE I do not have anything against Aymeric, but I would have loved to have this dinner with Haurchefant and his family (Could you imagine how lively that dinner would have been). You could have even included Aymeric in it. But for me, I disliked it because I see him as nothing more than a person that I helped. But its a nice touch that the WoL said no to the wine and did look over to the butler, while he prepared the tea. (He did took long..) I also choose the more negative response about adventuring, like that its quite dangerous and if we would had the chance to answer his last questions I would have been more negative again. Its was nice for all those people that like Aymeric or would date him, but I would have never went there if I had the choice. (But it was kinda funny to have plates full of meat and at the end it was still full xD)

    I am really happy when we will finally go away from Ishgard so I can start to forget every bad thing that happened here (who I am kidding..I wont T_T). I am also kinda curious who will take over Camp Dragonhead since Edmount mentioned that he needs to give someone the vacant position..

    The dungeon was alright, even though I found it too easy and I am still wondering how Garuda was only partly summoned. Still liked that we were able to get there before the WoD..I was with Alphinaud about them wanting to destroy our world..I kinda felt sorry for them, but I would not just lay down and watch them bring another catastrophe to our world..and they still where quite mean, especially that archer. (And the BLM seems to be male? At least the German voice was a male one)

    I kinda liked that they said that it was Zodiark that got stronger and stronger and not that it was Hydaelyn that started it first. She only banished him thanks to that. (Which than created those other worlds)

    It was nice that Alisae went with us, even if I was a little envy that Tataru created a outfit for her...where is our outfit? *Sob* I do really wish to travel further with the Twins, I like them both and both of them can fight too.

    I also felt a little sad for that poor little kobold. I still had hope that we might get there in time to safe his parents..but I should have known that SE loves tragedy too much to do that..The Titan fight was disappointing..really after the interview with Yoshida I really hoped for something different..Not for doing Titan HM with a different text (which you could even overlook if you concentrate too much on the fight). Even then I still hoped that Titan would go and sacrifice his heart to save the parents (like he would have done in 1.0) but it did not happen.

    It was great that Alisea mistrusted Urianger but at the same time I wished that she would have at least told us, the WoL, about it..thankfully he was still on our side (and damn he looks kinda hot without his usual gear). I also liked that he would do everything to make sure that our world is safe but still try to find another way to do that. But I kinda wonder how the Ascian will still believe him..

    I did not find the part with Papalymo and Yda interesting so I am not going to write much about it. Still remembered who that man was and wished that it would have been possible to answer him..I do wonder if the missing letter was just used as a way to explain why they never came back or if there is more to it..I am also not completely sure if I trust those two..especially after having to hand over the weapon..

    I dont really know what I should think about the WoD. I do kinda feel sorry about them but at the same time they always looked so evil when they attacked..maybe its the consequence of nearly loosing your own world, but I still dont really like them..

    I also dont really grasp the concept that Light can be bad. I know its a certain trope in FF games..but for me there can never be truly only Light as long as humanity exists..Yes we can go around and destroy evil beings, like the Ascians..but people can still be bad..look at Limsa that started the conflict with the kobolds again, because they needed more land. Does it mean that if we destroy every Ascian that people wont do bad things anymore? I mean its kinda annoying that they seems to be behind every bigger negative event but I cant believe that we as human would not do something like that on our own..Maybe not with primals on our side but still, you just need a nation like the Galearn, that wants to conquer the world and you will have conflict..is that not bad/dark enough?

    And how exactly does Light destroy a world? Is it like a Cloud of Light that comes and burns everything? I mean the Ascians use primals to suck out the aether thus destroying life like that and the primals them selfs are quite powerful and leave quite the destruction behind. So I can see that if the Ascians win that something bad will happen..but I cant just see how this would be with only Light left..Can someone explain it to me?

    But this at least left me with the knowledge that Hydaelyn is not bad. She did say that she heard the cries for help but could not do anything without her power, so its still nice that my believe in her is not destroyed with it. And the other black Ascians are bad too, since they dont want balance but complete destruction of her..so that leaves our white Ascian that might still be some kind of „partner“. But how can we keep balance? Does this mean that we, even if we have the tools at hand, have to stand still and watch how bad things happen? When do we know that something would tip the balance or not? How could we be sure that true balance with a restored Zodiark would not mean the end of the life right now?

    It seems that Minfilia and thus Hydaelyn herself can stop the Light from spreading..so why would we even need the help of the white Ascian? Wouldnt it be enough to have the mothercrystal strong enough to hold the Light in check herself?

    I also found it very interesting, that people could insta teleport them selfs now..maybe I remembered it wrong, but at the beginning of ARR someone said that you need a lot of focus and some minutes to even be able to teleport. And yet we have the WoD, Urianger, the Twins insta teleporting away from the scene..why couldnt we have used that for example after the Vault to teleport us and Haurchefant to safety?

    I absolutely loved the fight against the WoD..Not only did we not loose but it was nice to see the echo used against us. (And it was also nice to defeat all of them on my own, since the others did not bring them down on their own, while I was running around with my book and taking them out) Alisea's sword was nice too and it was thrilling to race toward the use of the LB, especially since the Paladin and the Warrior liked to chase me.

    I was a little sad that Hydaelyn did not talk to us directly..it would have been interesting if she called us son/daughter in front of the others, and maybe we could see how they react to it. (My Headcannon is that we are truly her child..but thats my opinion on it.)
    I did grin a little when Minfilia was gone. Finally the scions lost on of their main players too (next to Moen, but she was not part of the group most of the time) and it means no more link pearl calls from her. (I dont hate her but I also did not truly like her)

    Did we just loose one of our crystal of light? I kinda got the feeling that we gave it back to the mothercrystal. So we could theoretically give her more power but at the cost of our own godly strength? (But we would be still able to fight better than anyone without them)

    The talk with the scions afterwards was nice to. I have the hope that this means that we will go more on our own adventure in 4.0 and only help some of them in really important things, but I also dont have anything against working with them if it means that I am partnered with the twins again. I also choose the answer that I plan to have more adventures and defeat more opponents, and I believe that was not the sentence they wanted to hear from me. I did not choose the sentence about fighting for the ideals of our friends, since the only one that I miss is Haurchefant and he kinda saw us as a person and would have loved us even if we were just going on adventures. I am alo kinda tired of fighting for the states and even if we probably will help Ala Mhigo in 4.0, I would love to only help the innocent people and not be part of the politics and front line of the war...Dont need another Ishgard. I mean I would help if its something that could destroy the world like a primal, but all the other conflicts can be fought by the rest..but it would not be FF14, if it would not end in us being the one that does the main work.

    The ending scenes left me groaning and sighing all the time...when they showed the real „Greif“ and the camera zoomed that way all I was thinking was „and now the white Ascians will stand there..“ and I facepalmed after seeing him there...really..is every little conflict in this land part of the Ascians plan? I only wait for the time that they will show that everything the Galearn did from the very beginning was thanks to the Ascians too..we are humans! We can do these bad/stupid things on our own. The second one was the part with the eyes..Does everything we do wrong have to come and bite us in the ass? -.- I still dont know how they even managed to find those eyes, since it looked quite deep, but I sure hope that this wont be the return of the dragon..hopefully they are only used as some kind of battery...And Nero..why would you do this? I really hoped that he would be good after the CT quests but it seems that he still has the thirst to get better than Cid..and how did he even manage to get there unnoticed?

    At least the other part of the main story was okay. The only time I felt sad was with the small kobold, otherwise I was more indifferent to the other characters and what happened to them. The story can never be worse than its already is for me, after loosing Haurchefant, so any other character death leaves me more with a feeling of „who cares, can we go on now?“

    Welp that was some long text...x)


    Alex

    The fights themselves were great but the story...it was kinda late so all the talk and scenes about the time loop where a little confusing and annoying at that time..(And I was like „uhm can I borrow this and go back to a certain point? I mean I saved the world/eorza how many times already? Can I do something for me too?“) I never really warmed up for Mide..I was more scared for the safety of that black cat than her and I just sighed when she jumped down...that was quite predictable and I am kinda sick of the theme that its okay to suicide if it means that others can built the better future..at least they somehow got released in the past and had a family (but does this mean that they where the founders of their own family?? How could she even existed in this time if she and her boyfriend where the ones that created their family? Did I get it wrong? I really dislike time travel @_@)

    At least she got her happy end..its kinda hard to be the WoL. You loose the people you like thanks to plot, while having to save the world again and again..there is barely any thanks and somehow if you do to much good things you will endanger your world? I think I will play my WoL as someone that is a little nuts....otherwise she would break from all of this. Or maybe that is all just a big echo dream and after FF14 is over she will wake up and be like „Wtf“..(okay maybe I am going nuts *laugh*)


    Sophia

    The music was great, the fight was okay, she was beautiful and I start to like the kid..I mean how can the scions just leave all of those people in their prison? IMO I find that way more cruel than just killing them. First any follower that is alive is a danger to summon her again..and you cant really help them, so you cant release them from their prison. Isnt it the best to just free them from their agony and kill them? I am also a little annoyed at Y'sthola..Yes I would have done the same and I already do the dirty work but most of the time its because I am the only one capable of doing so..how about you go there and make your hands dirty..I just kinda start to dislike her more and more..


    So that its..way too much written..I just can never get to the point.
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