Yoshi-P on Character Growth

[tjw]

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Then why bring up 2.1 if you're not comparing it to 3.4? Compare 2.4 to 3.4, in which case I think 3.4 is expanding far more upon the game than 2.4 did.

You can be as cynical as you want to be, because in the end everything is re-used assets. Pretty sure the new cutscenes, gear, layouts and systems needed for the new stuff don't matter, because it's all about the new instances.

There won't be pleasing you at all unless they make extreme changes, because even them trying out new things is just "No new instances", therefore it isn't new content. -shrug-

The tomestone system is staying, but the method you get to the tomestones is constantly being updated and expanded upon. It's your choice if all you see is the shiny at the end and not appreciating the process, particularly with the variety available.

There's plenty to criticise (for example, the complete canning of WHM in 3.4's endgame scene), but in my opinion, the various amount of content isn't. I personally feel that the lack of a dungeon (which, btw, wouldn't have done much to expand on the grind) has been put to good use at experimenting with other choices.

And fyi, I find RMT bots more annoying than shitty DPS. I can carry a bad tank or DPS. I can't carry RMT bots.

[Reynhart]

Then why bring up 2.1 if you're not comparing it to 3.4? Compare 2.4 to 3.4, in which case I think 3.4 is expanding far more upon the game than 2.4 did.

Really ? You really want to compare 3.4 to 2.4 ? You're serious ?
Ok...2.4 brought us a new primal, the last tier of Bahamut, a trial with Hildibrand, 3 new dungeons, housing subward, indoor cooking, lots of new PvP stuff...and a new job

Not everything is reused assets, but the more you have, the less time it takes to develop content...so, we should have much more things to do.

You still get the tomestones the same way...Duty Roulette over and over...and yes doing the same two expert dungeons each day for 3 months straigth quickly become boring...

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Really ? You really want to compare 3.4 to 2.4 ? You're serious ?
Ok...2.4 brought us a new primal, the last tier of Bahamut, a trial with Hildibrand, 3 new dungeons, housing subward, indoor cooking, lots of new PvP stuff...and a new job

Not everything is reused assets, but the more you have, the less time it takes to develop content...so, we should have much more things to do.

You still get the tomestones the same way...Duty Roulette over and over...and yes doing the same two expert dungeons each day for 3 months straigth quickly become boring...

Welcome to gaming as a whole. Very few games rebuild from the ground up-- instead preferring to reuse assets to reduce costs. There isn't a purpose to overhauling housing for apartments when they already have assets that accomplish the exact same thing. Three dungeons stopped so allow development on new content. Alexander and Bahamut are essentially a watch and Hildibrand only returned in Heavensward due to fan demand. His story was never intended for the expansion, thus why it isn't as in-depth anymore.

Of course you do. Even if this system were to change in the future, it certainly wouldn't happen in a patch cycle. Developments of that significance are held off for expansions due to their cost.

[Reynhart]

Of course you do. Even if this system were to change in the future, it certainly wouldn't happen in a patch cycle.

Yes, I understand that. But if we don't talk about it now, I think it won't change in the next expansion either.

The tome system should have stayed in ARR. They could have made a new system, still grindy, for HW. I think you can come up with a lot of ways to earn gear without keeping the same system for 4 years.

A little note : I think Wondrous Tails is a nice concept. It doesn't bring new content, but it still gives a new philosophy on how you chose the content you wanna do. On the other end, the last Anima requires at worst 24000 tomestones (Maybe less if they change the cost in Lore), while you're already grinding tomestones for every other gear you want.

Hildibrand doesn't need to be "deep". It was a great way to make silly things and include nods to previous FF games without fearing for consistency.

[SendohJin]

The tome system should have stayed in ARR. They could have made a new system, still grindy, for HW. I think you can come up with a lot of ways to earn gear without keeping the same system for 4 years.

And maybe sports should stop keeping score, why do they keep score in every sport. they should change that up every few years too.

that's all tomes is, a number you can grind towards. they're not going to eliminate grinding. change purely for the sake of change is stupid.

[Reynhart]

that's all tomes is, a number you can grind towards. they're not going to eliminate grinding.

That's not the only way to grind things, in case you didn't play any other MMO.
Changing to prevent boredom is the best kind of change.