Summoners rejoice (Egi Glamour)

[silentwindfr]

I don't want glamour because it just doesn't solve anything. the problem is glamour isn't going make the summoner pet better nor is going make pet stronger with stay in balance....

you realize that the pet is about 30% of your dps? and for the one that ask for a more pet class, i did play pure pet class, is boring as hell, when the pet die (what happend countless time when you are a pure pet class) it's a pain, in the end you are not a master of a pet class.... you are the pet ! what they have done is not perfect, but they are fitting to this world summoner, you don't like it, it's a shame. but i feel what they have done with the trance is amazing and if they go farer we gonna get some really interesting point. but some are soo much fixated on solo game version...

[Ametrine]

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What I recall wasn't that Yoshi-P dislikes pet jobs, it was that he and the rest of the team opted to take the direction of pulling emphasis off the pet and onto the player.

So, we got Dreadwyrm Trance instead of more pet skills. Now, Dreadwyrm is a really fun mechanic, but I think most SMN players agree that we want 4.0 to put some love into the pets.

Considering the 20 or so quality of life changes for really random and minor things in this patch, I'm confident they hear our desires to make summoner feel like a real pet job.

[Claire_Pendragon]

you realize that the pet is about 30% of your dps? and for the one that ask for a more pet class, i did play pure pet class, is boring as hell, when the pet die (what happend countless time when you are a pure pet class) it's a pain, in the end you are not a master of a pet class.... you are the pet ! what they have done is not perfect, but they are fitting to this world summoner, you don't like it, it's a shame. but i feel what they have done with the trance is amazing and if they go farer we gonna get some really interesting point. but some are soo much fixated on solo game version...

What you disliked about that class is easily fixable mechanically. (Would even fit the lore far better than the current EGi's)
I cant help the feeling of "weakness" from reliance on a pet though, that would be ur own perception then. (Not that lore couldnt easily change that too)

[Jadub2k]

Ugh.. I don't mean to be rude to those who play & that like SMN (If you can call it that), but I can't help but cringe at the fact that people are happy for glams instead of actually Egi's. It will change there looks and special effects but the abilities will be the exact same.. *sigh*

[Savagelf]

30% doesn't sound that bad i think you should about 50/50. i not called pet does everything or focus solo on pet more hybrid pet job focus on 50/50 ratio focus. that what I like see focus be on both pet and player.

i hoping to see that summoner get each a new summonable Egi such Shiva and Ramuh we horrible behind that Prime in are Egis. it cool kind if you kind if your quest with summoner with Shiva involve white hair elvaan rebal. smirk

[Alexander_Dragonfang]

EDIT: Oh, in hindsight re-reading you meant new pet designs of existing egis? Still asking for too much.

Yeah too much, nothing a game like FFXIV in the year 2016 can handle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaFZ5lidx3k

[silentwindfr]

What you disliked about that class is easily fixable mechanically. (Would even fit the lore far better than the current EGi's)
I cant help the feeling of "weakness" from reliance on a pet though, that would be ur own perception then. (Not that lore couldnt easily change that too)

the moment the pet become the main actor of your jobs, is a sad reality... you become the pet, since you are not the damage nor the main part of the class, you are only there for help the pet to do the jobs. you are not a master, you are the pet. i was playing metaphysic in AO we had 3 pet (when i was playing) and we was dealing almost nothing as damage personally, most of our skill was to help the pet. but in the end... we dobecome the pet of the pet. that a sad truth about pet class.

and even if you make that your skill work like an order, is not different than you casting spell, it will not make you more a summoner. same if you make a summoner like in the solo game, it will not be not different than a black mage with a glamour of summoner. the only difference will be the animation.... in the gameplay you will be a caster throwing spell dealing direct damage.

them approach is interesting (i talk of the trance) if they work more on it, it can turn the summoner into something nice. but i feel the complain of the.... pet class people need to tune down since honestly a true pet class is boring and far to be interesting, since you will be dependant of many more factor, like the pathfinding, the ia of the pet and such.

let wait to see what will become the summoner in the 4.0 and see what they will do with the trance.

Yeah too much, nothing a game like FFXIV in the year 2016 can handle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaFZ5lidx3k

you realize that some summoning of FF11 was totally useless or barely usefull? plus they have said that most of them concern was about too many egi at the same place will make some "machine" have trouble without lag.

[Darkstride]

Ugh.. I don't mean to be rude to those who play & that like SMN (If call it that), I can't help but cringe at the fact that people are happy for glams instead of actually Egi's. well change there looks and special effects but the abilities will be the exact same.. *sigh*

Because we already have an Egi for each role. Additional Egis with different abilities would be redundant and potentially difficult to balance. The only function missing is crowd control abilities, but the necessity for those in XIV is almost non-existent.

New Egis wouldn't really add anything new besides potentially being able to use your favorite primal's Egi, which is an appearance issue not a mechanics issue. Glamour addresses that last concern by allowing you to use the appearance of your choice to first the necessary Egi role.

[Claire_Pendragon]

the moment the pet become the main actor of your jobs, is a sad reality... you become the pet, since you are not the damage nor the main part of the class, you are only there for help the pet to do the jobs. you are not a master, you are the pet. i was playing metaphysic in AO we had 3 pet (when i was playing) and we was dealing almost nothing as damage personally, most of our skill was to help the pet. but in the end... we dobecome the pet of the pet. that a sad truth about pet class.

and even if you make that your skill work like an order, is not different than you casting spell, it will not make you more a summoner. same if you make a summoner like in the solo game, it will not be not different than a black mage with a glamour of summoner. the only difference will be the animation.... in the gameplay you will be a caster throwing spell dealing direct damage.

them approach is interesting (i talk of the trance) if they work more on it, it can turn the summoner into something nice. but i feel the complain of the.... pet class people need to tune down since honestly a true pet class is boring and far to be interesting, since you will be dependant of many more factor, like the pathfinding, the ia of the pet and such.

let wait to see what will become the summoner in the 4.0 and see what they will do with the trance.

Again, that's your perception.
As a Dark Knight, let me remove all my gear, and equip some Lv1 Great Sword.

I'm useless at endgame. I do a fraction of my damage, I'm clearly the pet to my gear. It is the true master!

You are the puppeteer.
W/o you, there is no show, pet class or not.

Though, the simple solution to this, and for those who dont like to perceive the power coming fromt he pets, is just like the trance example. You, yourself, gain the power of the primal itself, but you make a personification of that primal, to help channel it. Essentially it would play out the same way, using a "pet", but Lore wise, the power is all you, and there is no actual living pet there, just a magical puppet looking like a being.
It's like a Black Mage casting Fire, but that fire has a bodily shape to it.

Like I said, some changes to how the pets work, and the problems with relying on a pet, that make it "annoying" can be fixed, if they are willing to do the work.
(But at this point, it would be another slap in the face, to take the current play style of SMN and remove it from those who enjoy it. Already bad enough how much some jobs changed with 3.0)

Because we already have an Egi for each role. Additional Egis with different abilities would be redundant and potentially difficult to balance. The only function missing is crowd control abilities, but the necessity for those in XIV is almost non-existent.

We already have a CC pet, as Titan not only fills that role, it does it better than just about any other CC at endgame PvE.
But it's just not viable at all as CC in PvP. (and since SMN has its own CC, it would be useless anyways)

Where as sleep/bind/gravity from WHM/BLM is unable to effect bosses on the hardest PvE content.

[Alexander_Dragonfang]

you realize that some summoning of FF11 was totally useless or barely usefull? plus they have said that most of them concern was about too many egi at the same place will make some "machine" have trouble without lag.

Do you realize we are talking about design and models here? what they were used for, as or why, how they played or whoever used them or not, how many they were, and whatever doesn't matter absolutely at all.

Neither i think egis should look THAT big and be THAT detailed, but they deserve much better treatment of what we have now. Even primal minios are better detailed and would be hundred of times better than the actual egis are.