Yoshi-P on Character Growth

[Kaurie]

It's already guaranteed to be different, just with PoTD and that infrastructure in the mix.


I'm also betting we'll see a new Diadem-type of content, but probably designed to be much more engaging than the initial attempt. Yoshi seems pretty intent on developing new kinds of content to go along with what we've grown accustomed to.

I think this is the issue right here. When we use generic comments like "guaranteed to be different" and "more of the same", there is a massive difference in what each of us are interpreting. I for one, do not consider PotD to be core to the game enough that it makes the game guaranteed to be different. I am sure the person you quoted feels the same way, but I guess I cannot be 100%.

When I read, "If 4.x is more of the same, it will damage the game more than 3.1 did. They have to do something interesting.", I think fundamentals need to be changed. Things such as (not necessarily all, or any, of these - just examples):

• Reinvigorating combat and making changes to the current skill bloat, complexity and length GCD (lengthy GCD works well with the skill bloat and complexity that we have, but if we reduce the others, GCD needs to be addressed)
• Change how raids and/or dungeons are presented (i.e. not queuing straight into a boss for a raid, or non-linear pathway dungeons)
• Create more open world end-game focus
• A change to the trinity (4th role? More combined roles? Different content requires different roles?)
• Talent trees or specs added

Or more on point to the original poster's discussion - consistent growth of character post max level. This can be done in numerous ways (i.e. look at Artifact weapons in WoW).

[MomomiMomi]

This is quite depressing news. Maybe its time to reevaluate if "modern" MMOs in this day and age are really what I'm looking for or at very least readjust my expectations of where this game is going.

Adjusting my expectations is exactly where this has led me. I expect the game to continue as it has, and so I am less interested in it. I still like what the game is, I just don't like where it's going.

I've been hoping for them to give me a reason to play for more than a few weeks after a patch. Yoshi-P has spoken; there isn't going to be one.

And so as he has suggested, I will only sub a few months out of the year and focus more on playing other games.


Now please get rid of that damn 45 day house reclamation and extend it to 95. Thanks.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Or more on point to the original poster's discussion - consistent growth of character post max level. This can be done in numerous ways (i.e. look at Artifact weapons in WoW).

Not necessarily. Now that Legion is moving beyond the honeymoon phase, people are starting to complain about the Artifact weapons because they become a massively long grind. FFXIV tried this and people did nothing but whine over the Anima weapon. Granted, my own complaints were it lacked any meaningful sense of progression. You just did chores.

I, initially, supported a fourth role, but now wonder if that would only take away from existing job diversity. Say a dedicated Support role was added. Dragoon having the raid utility it does would no longer make sense, since those buffs should be on a Support job. We essentially already have a fourth role when you consider just have versatile Ninjas, Bards and Machinists are.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Now please get rid of that damn 45 day house reclamation and extend it to 95. Thanks.

So you can only log in once every three months to binge the patch, but not lose your personal house? It's meant to both incentive you to stay subbed and to ensure people with houses are actually using them. Don't like? Sell your house and get an apartment.

[Brannigan]

Interesting stats and gear would fix character growth.

"Before I got X item I couldn't do Y" (where Y is not defeating a specific boss, but an actual thing your character can do - An extra hit during a buff window, a new rotation, etc)

something you'll never say in FFXIV.


By the way, interesting stats doesn't mean unique gear abilities or new stats necessarily. A new stat would help, but

-procs on crit
-procs on parry
-abilities that do more of something (damage reduction, duration, whatever) with higher DET/Speed
-more WSes like Empyreal Arrow
-chance to X on WS (benefits from speed)

would all make stats more interesting just by existing. The problem is that we have relatively bland classes + extremely bland gear combined with constant gear resets and catchup patches every 3 months. Raids give no rewards because even if you get a best in slot set and fully kit it out with materia, you have to replace it next raid patch with really easy to obtain crafted gear.

[Frederick22]

You guys are like going to play 1 month each patch cycle?

What about gardering, what about getting the tomestone gear, what about the x.x5 suff? ( anima, podt, orther possible new content )
What about GC? the more you play the better your garrisons will be...
what about wonders tails, what happens if you miss the chanse of getting a very nice rewards?


Drama.. drammaa.. dramma.... I'm so sick of it..
You guys expect perfection, sorry but mmorpg is perfect. Wow has flawss, elder scrolls have flawss...dam...

Tell me of a mmorpg who met all your expectations, with no single complain..

Seriously, you guys want the imposible..

[Kaurie]

Not necessarily. Now that Legion is moving beyond the honeymoon phase, people are starting to complain about the Artifact weapons because they become a massively long grind. FFXIV tried this and people did nothing but whine over the Anima weapon. Granted, my own complaints were it lacked any meaningful sense of progression. You just did chores.

I, initially, supported a fourth role, but now wonder if that would only take away from existing job diversity. Say a dedicated Support role was added. Dragoon having the raid utility it does would no longer make sense, since those buffs should be on a Support job. We essentially already have a fourth role when you consider just have versatile Ninjas, Bards and Machinists are.

Whether people complain about them or not is irrelevant. I did not say it was good or bad (while I think they are good, that wasn't explicitly said). All I said is that it is a form of post-max level progression.

That said, I have seen very few people complaining about them in-game, on reddit or on their official forums. Most who have complained get a lot of downvotes.

Also, the relic and the artifact are really nothing alike. Comparing apples to oranges.

In terms of the 4th role, all current classes have some support and/or utility. These would need to be removed really in order for a Support/Utility role to be viable. There are other possibilities for a 4th role, I would think. We just need to be creative. The new content would obviously need to cater to these other roles.

Maybe there could be a leadership role - with skills to help your team flow more synergistically and provide on-screen direction.
Maybe there could be a crowd control role - which exclusively applies debuffs to enemies to help control the battlefield
Maybe there could be other roles that I cannot think of off the top of my head.

I think if a new role were added, all new jobs would need to be that role, so that we were not left with 1 job for 1 role.

Also note that I am not necessarily in favour of adding a new role.

[MomomiMomi]

So you can only log in once every three months to binge the patch, but not lose your personal house? It's meant to both incentive you to stay subbed and to ensure people with houses are actually using them. Don't like? Sell your house and get an apartment.

We can't sell houses.

[Kaurie]

You guys are like going to play 1 month each patch cycle?

What about gardering, what about getting the tomestone gear, what about the x.x5 suff?
( anima, podt, orther possible new content )
What about GC? the more you play the better your garrisons will be...
what about wonders tails, what happens if you miss the chanse of getting a very nice rewards?


Drama.. drammaa.. dramma.... I'm so sick of it..
You guys expect perfection, sorry but mmorpg is perfect. Wow has flawss, elder scrolls have flawss...dam...

Tell me of a mmorpg who met all your expectations, with no single complain..

Seriously, you guys want the imposible..

You listed a lot of things in your post that I have major issues with (GC, tomestone gear, garening, wonderous tails).

I don't think anyone is suggesting any other MMO is perfect. That doesn't mean other MMO's don't do certain things better than FFXIV.

Granted, I don't think you are actually sick of the drama, or you wouldn't be reading these forum posts.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

We can't sell houses.

You can't sell them for bloated prices. And even that rule is scarcely enforced.