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    As a Main DRK myself the best way to give sort out LD is to give it a +% heal increases. Not Damage increase with 0% MP cost.

    I mostly use LD but only if the shit is about to hit the fan.

    If both my healers are dead it might as well be a wipe anyway.
    If I pop LD and I get a +50% damage increases with -100% MP cost then I would use it purely for DPS. Turn off Grit, let the PLD/WAR Tank then use LD for insane damage which would kinda make Grit being used in a way the it shouldn't be used. It's a Tank oh shit skill! Not DPS gain.
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    Holmgang lasts for 6 seconds. If you don't get healed when the buff runs out and you are down to 1 hp, the next hit will kill you.

    Living dead lasts for 10 seconds, and the walking dead effect another 10. If you don't get healed before the timer runs out, you die.

    Seems fairly balanced already. You get a longer buff duration at the cost of you dying automatically if the timer runs out. If no one heals you and you are down to 1hp anyway, what's the difference?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Martin_Arcainess View Post
    If I pop LD and I get a +50% damage increases with -100% MP cost then I would use it purely for DPS. Turn off Grit, let the PLD/WAR Tank then use LD for insane damage which would kinda make Grit being used in a way the it shouldn't be used. It's a Tank oh shit skill! Not DPS gain.
    Indeed, it would be great...except that, if you're not tanking, you're not taking damage, then LD doesn't activate, and since you're not under Walking Dead status, you won't receive the damage boost and mp reduction...

    It's still a very bizarre idea...
    Quote Originally Posted by Griffey View Post
    Holmgang lasts for 6 seconds. If you don't get healed when the buff runs out and you are down to 1 hp, the next hit will kill you.
    A WAR can easily heal itself back to enough HP to survive the next hit. Besides, if someone provoke (or Cover) you after Holmgang wears off, you won't die. Living Dead is the only skill that can still kill you even if the mob dies during WD.
    Quote Originally Posted by Griffey View Post
    If you don't get healed before the timer runs out, you die.
    If you don't get "healed for at least the same amount that your maximum HP", not just "healed". Pretty big difference.
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    Last edited by Reynhart; 09-16-2016 at 10:34 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reynhart View Post
    Indeed, it would be great...except that, if you're not tanking, you're not taking damage, then LD doesn't activate, and since you're not under Walking Dead status, you won't receive the damage boost and mp reduction...

    It's still a very bizarre idea...

    A WAR can easily heal itself back to enough HP to survive the next hit. Besides, if someone provoke (or Cover) you after Holmgang wears off, you won't die. Living Dead is the only skill that can still kill you even if the mob dies during WD.

    If you don't get "healed for at least the same amount that your maximum HP", not just "healed". Pretty big difference.
    Well I don't have to MT to Die, there is lots of other ways to trigger WD besides MT. Just don't dodge AOE's or purposely trigger mines and stuff like that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Martin_Arcainess View Post
    Well I don't have to MT to Die, there is lots of other ways to trigger WD besides MT. Just don't dodge AOE's or purposely trigger mines and stuff like that.
    So, while not tanking, your plan is to step into every AoE until you take the risk of dying, just so that you could gain 10s of damage boost, while putting a lot of stress on your healers who should have probably done more damage than you if he didn't have to monitor your HP in case of unavoidable damagen, while still being focused on keeping the real tank alive ?

    Have you considered...playing a DPS instead ?
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