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    Walking dead should be a gift not a curse

    Living dead is a pain to use considering its supposed to be DRKs OP button. This is mainly because of walking dead killing you and you having no way to combat that without a healer.

    So my suggestion would be to make walking dead as much a buff as it is a debuff. When you enter walking dead you gain a 50% damage increase and all MP costs are reduced to zero. This would allow you to go into grit (if not already in it) and spam dark arts souleaters at no cost. With the increased damage which more than negates the grit penalty and bloodbath cross classed you'd be able to heal a large chunk of hp on your own possibly enough to remove walking dead with your own self heals.

    The way I picture it (lore wise) would be your darkness going out of control because you are too weak to keep it in check, making your dark powers far stronger but obviously killing you if you don't get it back under control by recovering your strength.

    This would make living dead much more desirable to use both as an invincible and just as a risky damage increase (which DRKs are known for in their old glass cannon incarnations).
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    This sounds extremely convoluted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpookyGhost View Post
    This sounds extremely convoluted.
    Give walking dead a damage buff and remove MP costs, what's convoluted about it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cabalabob View Post
    Give walking dead a damage buff and remove MP costs, what's convoluted about it?
    Not sure if you're trolling or not, but you're basically taking our death-cheat ability and turning it into the most powerful offensive cooldown in the game, bar none. There's no basis for it and it would outdo both HG and Holmgang by lightyears, and create more balance issues than it fixes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SyzzleSpark View Post
    Not sure if you're trolling or not, but you're basically taking our death-cheat ability and turning it into the most powerful offensive cooldown in the game, bar none. There's no basis for it and it would outdo both HG and Holmgang by lightyears, and create more balance issues than it fixes.
    Most powerful offensive in the game?? Hardly, 50% may sound great but it comes at the risk of killing you. With grit on (and if you want to survive without a healer like a WAR or PLD could you'll need grit on) that's only a 30% damage increase, the same as fight or flight with only 1/3 of the duration. And let's not even get into triple berserk fell cleaves.

    The basis for it is simple. If it was just a 10 second holmgang with a 5 min recast then fine. But it's not, it's a 10 second holmgang with a 5 min recast that kills you if someone else doesn't intervene. This suggestion makes that extra baggage on living dead have a benefit and also gives you a way to counter it without a healer's intervention, something neither of the other tanks need with their moves.
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    Last edited by Cabalabob; 09-16-2016 at 02:44 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cabalabob View Post
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    Like Spooky said, there's far less convoluted ways to do this. I'm a fan of the traditional method: communicating with your healers. That method is foolproof, works every time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SyzzleSpark View Post
    Not sure if you're trolling or not, but you're basically taking our death-cheat ability and turning it into the most powerful offensive cooldown in the game, bar none. There's no basis for it and it would outdo both HG and Holmgang by lightyears, and create more balance issues than it fixes.
    LMAO your comment just made my night!

    On a more serious note, walking dead should be designed to where it couldnt be abused well for obvious reasons, adding a ton of lifetapping to stop the effect fast wouldnt be such a bad idea would it? prevent people from cheesing mechanics if it was harder to keep the full time of invincibility up. The dying thing, thats what gets me. For a dps maybe thatd have some merit, but for something like hg or holmgang, it really defeats the purpose its supposed to serve imo. To that effect id rather it deal increased healing, and 'reverse' something that would push you out of the mode fast so it couldnt be exploited honestly. I dont care how they do it personally, but it is rather stupid how it is now. Even worse as max hp multiplies out the roof.

    ie: "before i pop LD i like to use a max potion of vitality, really gets the healers blood pumpin'"
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    Last edited by ADVSS; 09-16-2016 at 02:54 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ADVSS View Post
    ie: "before i pop LD i like to use a max potion of vitality, really gets the healers blood pumpin'"
    Well, thank you for giving me a way to make my friends hate me even more when I pull so much they can't DPS due to sheer damage... Now to make them hate me even more!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cabalabob View Post
    Give walking dead a damage buff and remove MP costs, what's convoluted about it?
    It would essentially just boil down to a 50% damage increase for DRK while in Walking Dead, because no one is going to turn on Grit to spam DA Soul Eater. If your only intent with this buff is to make it easier to get back to full then there are less convoluted ways to do it. An easy example would just be to give Walking Dead a healing%+ effect.
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