Roles for Samurai, Red Mage, Dancer

[Welsper59]

I played FFXI for 10 years. I do know what I'm talking about when I'm talking about that game. Did you play it? I see you didn't even know what trait I was talking about.

Then why wouldn't you know how the combat system functioned and why such a trait like that would exist, even for a DPS? I didn't know about it immediately because, as I answered right off the bat, I barely played SAM. That's like me asking you why you didn't know about Sneak Attack on NIN having a front position buffed effect. You still failed to justify anything on that trait proving "tank". Move on, just as I am.

Stats absolutely mattered for that kind of thing in that game. The Thief Artifact armor (And AF+1) has zero +enmity on it so my point still stands, the sets that gave Thief +enmity came WAY later. I specifically said it didn't make sense for SAM to have +enmity as a DPS job because they have no mechanics/abilities to shed or manipulate that like DRG does: " nor any reason to have +enmity, especially on a job that has no enmity reducing abilities like DRG had etc." I specifically mentioned DRG because of High Jump. I mained DRG in FFXI for near 2 years, I'm aware of it's abilities. It made sense to later add +enmity to Thief because the core moves of that job manipulated enmity to place it onto the tank. Samurai has no such skills.


Past FF games don't operate on a trinity system. There is technically no "tanks" in traditional JRPG Final Fantasy titles so the point is moot. You're arguments are pointless at this point because as I mentioned before, literally everything can be a DPS. You don't need to argue for it because of course it can be a DPS. The DPS role requires no extra stipulations aside from an ability to deal damage, that's it. So it's not a matter of "well it can be a dps too just as easily." because that's not the point, as anything can be a DPS, it's the default, the neutral, the base form.

The point is that is has many flags that make it a prime contendor as a Tank. I don't know how else to really break it down. Only that you're arguing for nothing because DPS is the default job archetype when it comes to these things.

My mistake on the DRG thing. Keep in mind though that, as I said, enmity reduction wasn't a common thing at all. DRG was pretty much the only one that had that. Also note that, as I said in an earlier post, SAM was not introduced until Zilart. The game had changed things by then. Zilart also introduced things like Dynamis, which is where the THF AF2 came from with the Enmity. Referencing original THF AF and comparing to gear that came out later for SAM when it released is... really reaching.

Realize that SAM was very powerful for good stretches of that game. They'd often steal agg from tanks if they went wild even without enmity+ gear. Subbing THF was a common practice outside of raid setups. Enmity in that game is not a strong argument for much, since they also used it as a punishment. It would explain why caster gear drops also had +enmity back then. It's the same risk vs reward system that explains why some gear have massive damage boosts, but huge hits to accuracy/def/stats. Hence, why I said that stats don't dictate much there to determine someones role. Some do, like DEF, but enmity is not exclusive to it. I mean crap man, THF had +shield and +parry on their AF pieces. Are they tanks!?

I'm arguing on the matter because your points have faults that work against you, but you don't seem to realize it. You can't pick and choose your arguments by ignoring factors that work against you. This is why I keep saying that it'll work for both sides equally, and I continuously state why that's the fact on the matter. Maybe I am talking to a wall on the matter, which isn't unusual when it comes to reasoning and inner workings.