Summoner needs a slight buff.

[Koltik]

lots of things

First of all, no ranged puts out as much constant pressure as a good SMN.

Second of all, I never even mentioned Bane. The best SMN's don't even use bane unless there's a 4 stack opportunity. Play against Elia on Primal sometime and you'll see what I mean. I think I have a 100% win rate with her on my team as SMN and me MNK. I can't say that about any other ranged DPS, not even last seasons Rank 1 MCH.

[SuperZay]

Play against Elia on Primal sometime and you'll see what I mean. I think I have a 100% win rate with her on my team as SMN and me MNK. I can't say that about any other ranged DPS, not even last seasons Rank 1 MCH.

You both have high win rates because you're skilled and invested players; what job you play is a detail of that achievement, not its definition.

[Aviars]

I'd take a good SMN over BRD/MCH/BLM any day in solo Feast.

b-but Curty tho....

[Anchored0wl]

First of all, no ranged puts out as much constant pressure as a good SMN.

Second of all, I never even mentioned Bane. The best SMN's don't even use bane unless there's a 4 stack opportunity. Play against Elia on Primal sometime and you'll see what I mean. I think I have a 100% win rate with her on my team as SMN and me MNK. I can't say that about any other ranged DPS, not even last seasons Rank 1 MCH.

Oh god the suffering i go through healing through a 4+ stack bane. Focalization is not even close to being enough to prevent a strong summoner. Only effective way of fighting that kind of damage is Surecast / equinamity cure 3 bombs and thats not happening in solo que.

[Praesul]

First of all, no ranged puts out as much constant pressure as a good SMN.

A BRD multi DoTing and spamming bloodletter applies very good pressure, a BLM CCing and casting fire IV applies enormous pressure (to the point where they completely change the dynamic of the match just BY EXISTING), and MCH has long, drawn out burst damage that has to be focused on while the other DPS and the tank are free to do whatever they want during the duration (not to mention they also bring a physical damage debuff that can't be purified, so it's like a better ranged version of Sole Survivor and Trick Attack)

Play against Elia on Primal sometime and you'll see what I mean. I think I have a 100% win rate with her on my team as SMN and me MNK. I can't say that about any other ranged DPS, not even last seasons Rank 1 MCH

Nobody cares what ONE player can do, it's not relevant. One player could do amazing DPS in pvp as AST but that doesn't mean it's good at it. The results are what we should be looking at, I don't know about the JP or EU data centers, and I don't play on Primal, but on Aether the highest SMN main is actually me, and I don't even play SMN anymore so I don't think even that counts. The top spots are all DRG/MNK/MCH with some healers, some BRD, and some tanks.

I don't doubt that a SMN player can do exceptionally well, I'm sure they could. But they'd get better results on another job.

[zuzu-bq]

Dear OP, BLMs get higher winrate because people get impatient over their CC mindgames and lose composture instead of shutting them down properly. They're a easy an easy target to be shut down when everyone plays correctly and can't provide much help to party once everyone resists their Sleep and Binds. Also Sleeps aren't reliable on solo queues. SMNs are at the moment also harder to play. Yes dots don't deal much damage but their damage over your Malady spam will not only drain opposing healer's MP but once they succumb to preassure to cast a dispell GCD you get a free 2s to burst withh your OGCDs. No, Summoner is not trash tier my fellow pvper. Thats just one example on how good a SMN can be, other of his utilities are a Virus that can reduce Mind (reduce heals), Tri-Bind and Stun/Knockback depending on your pet of choice.

For Praesul: Summoner main pressure is high pet damage, strong multi dotting over Malady (heal reducing debuff) spam.
At Koltik: As a healer, Hypercharge is also a pretty scary pressure if the MCH knows how to apply on evertyone, wich isn't hard. But yeah, its a cooldown.

[NoelNoel]

Applying hypercharge to everything is ineffective in terms of dps.

SMN does need a buff, after playing it more I'm kinda ok ish with the potency of their skills atm although I would really want Deathflare and Painflare potencies back. My main gripe is that Aetherflows can actually fail to turn into Aethertrails, in the most stupid of situations sometimes. A last second LoS can have your Fester go off but not give you a trail for example.