At What Point Does It Become Justified?

[Vaeria]

I'm curious, since the subject Im about to discuss seems to have so many different viewpoints and can potentially split the team. Either way, I'd just like to get a few 'personal' opinions, no matter how differing and laughable some may be (I mean no offense). Anyway, heres the question...questions:

At what point has shi...'stuff'...gone too far in Frontlines, in other words...'legal' (any action that isn't hacking imo ;p) actions, tactics, by the opponent team...that require a response of some sort? When is simple, honest, hateful revenge justified?? At what point are game objectives to be ignored completely in favor of a focused righteous curb-stomping of the offending team?

As far as I'm concerned..as long as it doesn't violate the rules of the ToS agreement (which simply amounts to hacking imo) A N Y action from an enemy team against yours is 100% legal. Bad taste, poor sportsmanship, 'dirty tactics', whatever, (these phrases mean nothing), from the enemy team is completely allowable. After all..you're sure as hell not there to have tea and discuss world peace with the members of a rival gc. You're there to kill them, and vice versa. As such, tactics like spawncamping or attacking your team even though your dead last, while 'shameful', are perfectly allowable. Of course. . .


. . .every action has its consequence.


So what would you personally say is the breaking point? When is enough enough? Some would say never, that theres no such thing, that you should always try to maintain your cool and keep focusing on the objectives, regardless of what style of play is being thrust upon you. Some believe winning is the most important thing (liek..why else would you be in pvp if not to win, right ...so to speak) and are willing to endure outright abuse without slightest response to obtain it. PvP's sensible version of 'the better man.'

Then there are those who think some modest form of response to say...spawncamping, is agreeable, only however, if its on the path to the objective. In other words, yes, some revenge is good and healthy, but don't go out your way for it and lose your perspective. Get a few licks back if at all possible, but don't allow the opposing team to childishly 'pull your chain.' The decent class thats willing to put the interest of fellow teammates with a desire to win, ahead of their own need for revenge.

What about you?? Me humbly ask you to state your own thoughts and views. While Im sure it may develope into a ....passionate...subject, please try not to verbally smack others with a wooden spoon for theirs.


As for my own opinion, I r ashamed to say I fall into the last class of selfish idiots who care nothing whatsoever about winning, nor for teammates interested in such (me getting my cookies in pvp > you getting your crappy mount) And if me care nothing for me teammates (save...how much hp your body has left remaining in it to continue functioning as a living shield for meh) how much less Im willing to even slightly suffer overly aggressive opponents. Me is the kind that will GLADLY drop winning objectives and simply give the uninvolved team a free win in favor of having a second date with the team that just had to have a houseparty on our flag w/o at least some justifiable reason. Even if its animalistic thinking, far as Im concerned, pvpwise, theres nothing more deeply satisfying than well deserved revenge. What's a passive victory where you limp to 1st place from following objectives and successfully praying to rngesus to be merciful...verses 2nd or even 3rd, along with that righteous, fear of god-azz-whoopin the other team had coming for that cute little spawncamp? Far far far more important things than just another notch on a win record.

Anyway, your own thoughts.

[Dumbledoremd]

If you dont care about winning and the rewards then why que frontlines? Its selfish and dosnt help any of your fellow team members

[Vaeria]

If you dont care about winning and the rewards then why que frontlines? Its selfish and dosnt help any of your fellow team members

Uh~~~~h...c-cuz..like..I...just get off from fighting other pvpers, wins and rewards be damned to hell? Which, iiiii~f done correctly, with liek, a healer kill for example when dealing with a large crystal, has the effect of making the rest of the team easier to kill? Anyway, back to topic....am I correct in assuming you're the passive, stay focused on the objective type?? At what point does revenge for enemy actions become justified??

[Dumbledoremd]

Maybe duels or 8v8 unranked would be better for your thrills

[Evangela]

I don't think it's wrong. If a premade team wants to ignore the ices and just farm killing people, it's their business.

I don't want to play against that kind of premade team, but it's their right. So I just stop doing FL during weekends.

It'll be good though, if pre-made teams will be matched up against each other instead of getting into the same match with random team from other GCs.

[Nidelia]

I don't think it's wrong. If a premade team wants to ignore the ices and just farm killing people, it's their business.

I don't want to play against that kind of premade team, but it's their right. So I just stop doing FL during weekends.

It'll be good though, if pre-made teams will be matched up against each other instead of getting into the same match with random team from other GCs.

The problem with that, is that it's breaking completly the game.
Either you are:
A) In the same party of a premade of 5-6, you can't win because they aren't playing the objective.
B) In the party which are farmed, you re just chain killed, you can't play.
C) In the ignored party, you just tag PvE objective.
It results that, mostly, you can't enjoy the game in these condtions at all. Only the people in the premade are enjoying it, spitting on others players in the process. And I find that 5 people enjoying it when 19 are just wasting their time is quite unacceptable...
Premade was always something completly broken, but it took a complet new sens in shatter kill farming.

[Evangela]

The problem with that, is that it's breaking completly the game.
Either you are:
A) In the same party of a premade of 5-6, you can't win because they aren't playing the objective.
B) In the party which are farmed, you re just chain killed, you can't play.
C) In the ignored party, you just tag PvE objective.
It results that, mostly, you can't enjoy the game in these condtions at all. Only the people in the premade are enjoying it, spitting on others players in the process. And I find that 5 people enjoying it when 19 are just wasting their time is quite unacceptable...
Premade was always something completly broken, but it took a complet new sens in shatter kill farming.

Yeah, I agree and I hope SE do something about it. Not sure what can be done though.

[Japtor]

Hitting the ice must be the most boring thing you can do in PvP. That's not what I'm 20 minutes in a q for, come on. We have that in pve already, and a lot quicker.

[Vaeria]

Hitting the ice must be the most boring thing you can do in PvP. That's not what I'm 20 minutes in a q for, come on. We have that in pve already, and a lot quicker.

. . .marry me. And ya, with duels FINALLY coming out, + just a reason to hang around at the wolves den like its a bit more of a fight club now sounds pretty cool.

[UnstablePersonality]

Hitting the ice must be the most boring thing you can do in PvP. That's not what I'm 20 minutes in a q for, come on. We have that in pve already, and a lot quicker.

This is why I liked Seal Rock, but that's dead now.