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    Quote Originally Posted by Anchored0wl View Post
    Who are you again?
    Checked both current and last season and I don't see you.

    Smn is the king of pressure if played well.
    I think I ended Season 1 with 800 score, couldn't get higher because started late and ques were dead by that point. But I've played SMN extensively both before and after nerfs, and now switched to a bard for better bursts. Less overall damage, more kills:



    You see, with only 100k damage you can do 5 bursts=kills and win a match, you don't really need 240k of fluffed damage for this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperZay View Post


    You see, with only 100k damage you can do 5 bursts=kills and win a match, you don't really need 240k of fluffed damage for this.
    That's just how bard plays. It's a completely different type of pressure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperZay View Post
    I think I ended Season 1 with 800 score, couldn't get higher because started late and ques were dead by that point. But I've played SMN extensively both before and after nerfs, and now switched to a bard for better bursts. Less overall damage, more kills:



    You see, with only 100k damage you can do 5 bursts=kills and win a match, you don't really need 240k of fluffed damage for this.
    How do you do like no damage as brd? Do you just afk when your burst is down. Ive seen a DRG get 6kills and only amount to 70k damage, because he only ever went after last hitting like Frontlines, Top-Notch. Also that healer has 0 medals, and only died once. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nakanishi View Post
    How do you do like no damage as brd? Do you just afk when your burst is down.
    I often run back to base when a healer is dead, or we all are backing up if second dps is dead. No point to stay and suicide, right? Which results in lower overall damage but also gives time to recharge barrage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperZay View Post
    I often run back to base when a healer is dead, or we all are backing up if second dps is dead. No point to stay and suicide, right? Which results in lower overall damage but also gives time to recharge barrage.
    I still don't understand how 100k dps is acceptable as bard. Even if you are bursting correctly it's not hard to avg between 160-200k per match. The only time i have hit 100k is if the melee I'm with rekts the other team and we end the match early. If you aren't keeping up with sustained damage on the opposing team then you aren't playing bard optimally. By having constant damage and lucky crits you can have a healer waste cd's and when you're actual burst is up they may have a harder time trying to heal.

    Everyone plays how they want to play but what separate's a manageable bard from a scary bard is that "fluff" dps.
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    Some matches from weeks ago. Notice my avg kill rate with whm as opposing healer. When scholar is opposing healer i have more assists because I can set up a kill but harder to one shot by yourself IF the healer is good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Makuro View Post
    Some matches from weeks ago. Notice my avg kill rate with whm as opposing healer. When scholar is opposing healer i have more assists because I can set up a kill but harder to one shot by yourself IF the healer is good.
    Imba scholars ;^)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Makuro View Post
    Oh look one of the scariest summoners on primal makes their cameo!



    I can definitely state from experience healing the damage that comes from Az is definitely more stressful than healing a bard that doesn't see the point in pressuring the healer even if it can be healed seemingly "easily". The stress isn't just placed on you by making you choose your gcds carefully, but also forces you to burn through your mana and potentially some pretty important cooldowns in order to keep up. Heaven forbid that someone messes up the cc resist on the bard on top of all that so you cannot prevent their burst anymore.
    Simply focus targeting a bard as a tank or healer is all you need to do to prevent most bards burst.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Makuro View Post
    Some matches from weeks ago. Notice my avg kill rate with whm as opposing healer. When scholar is opposing healer i have more assists because I can set up a kill but harder to one shot by yourself IF the healer is good.
    Unless BLM, its hard to burst against Adloquiums. Though as a BLM I love killing the fairy in 2s forcing/preventing Dissipation.
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