Quote Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor View Post
Mhm. I feel this is a big part of the issue. Even if you still ultimately lose, being able to almost turn around a wipe is both exhilarating and motivating because you have some assurance if you do make a mistake, it can be salvaged.
Was going to stay out of this topic, but since the conversation turned this way, I need to chime-in with how much I also feel this is a huge turn-off on current raids (and some EX fights even).

Heck, on Ifrit in 1.2x, our linkshell literally had a couple runs where everyone but a Bard of all things would wipe, but since Bard had access to Conjurer and Thaumaturge's cross-class skills in 1.xx it could raise people while kiting Ifrit around the arena while avoiding eruptions and plumes. It was an amazing feeling keeping the fight alive by a thread (especially since re-entry would require more farmed tokens to get back in). I don't think such a thing is plausible in FFXIV as it is now, which is a shame.