Veteran rewards going away make other items obtainable

[Masekase_Hurricane]

Just put them in the cash shop at the price of 6-8 months membership done.

[Kaisinel]

Just put them in the cash shop at the price of 6-8 months membership done.

Yes thus fair 100% for collection

[Blackbird1]

Ruins game experience when the 1.0 people rub mounts in peoples face that can't get them though; if they doing away with veteran rewards because people cannot catch up why should other things be locked behind non existent content and exclusive? Totally unfair based on other things that have been reworked by SE.

no ones holding a gun to your head telling you that your gonna get the membership for veterans rewards or eat a bullet. if people want the vet items they just gotta be patient and keep renewing their service simple as that we got the system so that you get these items for staying with the renewal system. if you want a goobbue mount do sylph breast tribe quests and get that mount let 1.0 players have their glory same with the tattoo on the back maybe SE will give us better tattoos if they're nice enough but dont start getting saltly just cause you want an item and cant wait for it or because you didnt join in 1.0 nough said

[Vantol]

If we're comparing the level of dedication and effort put into competing in the Olympics and the worth of its medals to some mounts you got for paying a sub then I have nothing else to add.

The world is built on 3 types of currency: time, money, emotions. No matter what you do, you pay or get paid with one (or mix) of them. Be it scince, relationships, status, food etc. Anything. So,

Person A: spends 5 years, invests 5'000$ and 50 points of emotions and wins Olympic medal.

Person B: spends 10 years, invests 1'000$ and 10 points of emotions and gets super-cool mount in video game.

Person C: spends 1 year, invests 80'000$ and 500 points of emotions and gets loving wife and children.

Good for them, everyone got what they wanted. But does it mean that super-cool mount is lesser/easier achievement than Olympic medal? Or medal is lesser achievement than good family? No, it doesn't, they all "paid" equally +/-. No, it doesn't. Does it mean that guy with family deservs mount or Olympic winner desrves wife? No, it doesn't. They have to work for it.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Well, the problem with your reverse is that we're not only asking for something we want in terms of items etc. but also for the devs to uphold their promise.

And, this might be me, but: If someone is so much of a collector that they get seriously upset about someone having some mounts they cant have, I'm worried...

I remember our discussion about veteran rewards and it was a good one, thank you for that btw! I hope you dont mind if I share your "conclusion" (or at least what I believe it could be) from that: You guys need to relax. You're looking at those mounts with envy and you ruin a game for yourself by thinking "Person A has something I cant have, thats sooo unfair!" There are things in life you cant achieve because they are not meant for you. Those mounts are even having "legacy" in their name, right? They are not meant for you. You have plenty to choose from and plenty to obtain. There are achievments and titles from 1.0 we cant achieve anymore - because 1.0 was different from ARR/HW. Why is it so hard to let those loyal people keep their special stuff to remember 1.0? And not take away the value that it also gets from being something from a different era?

Oh, I was coming at that argument from a more general approach because that excuse came up frequently when Lightning's hair was a hot topic and it always bugged me. As I posted earlier, I am perfectly fine seeing legacy stuff remain exclusive for the reasons I stated earlier. Insisting on the devs breaking a promise just to cater to you... is pushing into whining for the sake it.

Thank you as well! I always appreciate a good debate no matter the outcome. Only way to see both perspectives. I don't know whether you meant to lump me into the achievement wanting category or I just misinterpreted. Either way, I don't look at legacy stuff as something to earn and I certainly do not care about any mount/minion/glamour for it to ruin the game. Admittedly, I am not a fan of exclusive content as a whole, but there are some exceptions-- legacy being among them.

[Kaisinel]

No, it doesn't. They have to work for it.

So SE should take away people title who didn't do 2nd coil Savage at 110i and A5 mount for people who did after gear cap raise cause didn't do fight correctly and did unsync for easest win. That is fair I think they should not allow unsync for savage at all.

[Vantol]

So SE should take away people title who didn't do 2nd coil Savage at 110i and A5 mount for people who did after gear cap raise cause didn't do fight correctly and did unsync for easest win. That is fair I think they should not allow unsync for savage at all.

I understand that this is sarcasm, but yes. I have been telling many times that unsynch should not have been existed in first place. When 3.0 hit, 70% of people that I knew left the game, because the value of getting all that raid gear and titles from Savage Coil was nullified in instant. Same goes for echo/mechanic nerfs. Either remove raids/ex trials from game completly or release them at the difficulty that you want it to be for ever. But don't, goddammit, change difficulty on the fly, making one group of people for hard for reward and giving the same reward for free to others.

[Masekase_Hurricane]

I understand that this is sarcasm, but yes. I have been telling many times that unsynch should not have been existed in first place. When 3.0 hit, 70% of people that I knew left the game, because the value of getting all that raid gear and titles from Savage Coil was nullified in instant. Same goes for echo/mechanic nerfs. Either remove raids/ex trials from game completly or release them at the difficulty that you want it to be for ever. But don't, goddammit, change difficulty on the fly, making one group of people for hard for reward and giving the same reward for free to others.

I have to sort of agree. If they keep doing this all they do is ruin it for new players as the challenging content is further and further away. I think Echo and nerfs should be fine but no need to remove the cap.

[BorisDaBlade]

This doesn't really pertain to the 1.0 stuff, but in regards to veteran rewards......they are only subscribed days based, not actual play time based. You want the 3 year vertrans rewards and think you'll play for the next 3 years? Then sub for 3 years, BOOM all rewards in less than a day. You're welcome.

[Kaisinel]

I understand that this is sarcasm, but yes. I have been telling many times that unsynch should not have been existed in first place. When 3.0 hit, 70% of people that I knew left the game, because the value of getting all that raid gear and titles from Savage Coil was nullified in instant. Same goes for echo/mechanic nerfs. Either remove raids/ex trials from game completly or release them at the difficulty that you want it to be for ever. But don't, goddammit, change difficulty on the fly, making one group of people for hard for reward and giving the same reward for free to others.

I wasn't being sarcastic though remove all echo and nerfs from fights so it can be fair the way everyone here is being hypocritical. And see we will see how much frustration they express.

Oh wait they will call it ummm making the game better and fair.