Difficulty format for Normal and Savage will remain in 4.0

[zosia]

why does it matter your gear is better when you don't need it? you don't need that extra 10ilvls to do that raid or the next raid.

why does it matter to you that everyone gets the same lvl of gear for less effort?

I already explained why. You don't get to discredit a point by answering a question with a question, don't be juvenile. Raiders in a normal game, such as wow, take that ilvl difference into the next raid. It's a perk for staying around and farming the raid after getting your first clear. You farm a BiS set for the next raid tier. I want to perform better for being subscribed for six months. As it stands now, all skill equal, a player returning for 3.4 will have the same performance capabilities as a person who stayed behind and farmed midas savage for the last six months.

So, I will asking you again, and please answer with a statement rather than a questions, why does it matter to you?

[Musashidon]

I already explained why. You don't get to discredit a point by answering a question with a question, don't be juvenile. Raiders in a normal game, such as wow, take that ilvl difference into the next raid. It's a perk for staying around and clearing the raid after getting your first clear. You farm a BiS set for the next raid tier. I want to perform better for being subscribed for six months. As it stands now, all skill equal, a player returning for 3.4 will have the same performance capabilities as a person who stayed behind and farmed savage for the last six months.

So, I will asking you again, and please answer with a statement rather than a questions, why does it matter to you?

you didn't explain anything as in 3.4 better gear comes out and make all 3.2 gear worthless.

so why do you need 10ilvls that mean nothing for a raid you already did and a raid you have yet to do?

p.s this isn't wow

[zosia]

you didn't explain anything as in 3.4 better gear comes out and make all 3.2 gear worthless.

so why do you need 10ilvls that mean nothing for a raid you already did and a raid you have yet to do?

p.s this isn't wow

Because I want to feel like I actually progressed my character over the last six months in preparation for the creator wing of alex savage. Why stay subbed after my first midas clear with 3.4 crafted gear? It was literally pointless to stay subbed in the context of character progression due to crafted 3.4 gear and upgraded tome gear.

Just keep dodging the question, lol. Why does it matter to you? Love to see your answer, something tells me you don't really have a good one.

p.s. How about you actually answer my question since I asked you first instead of playing Q&A dodge ball?

[Musashidon]

Because I want to feel like I actually progressed my character over the last six months.

how do you not? the next patch gives you better gear to go for progressing your character more. we are always progressing our characters.

once again why does your raid have to give you better gear when you don't need it?

p.s insults do nothing for you.

[zosia]

how do you not? the next patch gives you better gear to go for progressing your character more. we are always progressing our characters.

once again why does your raid have to give you better gear when you don't need it?

I answered the question, you just don't like the answer. Tough cookies kiddo. You still have not answered mine

here let me help you...

I don't know why I need raid ilvl gear, I just feel entitled to it because... reasons!

[Musashidon]

I answered the question, you just don't like the answer. Tough cookies kiddo. You still have not answered mine

here let me help you...

actually you didn't you said raiding is the only form of progressing which isn't true.

has nothing to do with not liking your answer has to do with you being down right wrong.

insulting people doesn't magically prove your point.

You're joking, right? Raids are perhaps the one place better gear is justifiable... Why do "casuals" need i260 from Scriptures when they probably don't even require i210 for the content they do?

i am not sure you are getting my point no one needs extra ilvl gear in this game (as it's not wow ff11 eq)

the best ilvl gear in the game is extra ilvls for everyone no matter who can or cannot get them saying one person deserves it more for ilvl bloat doesn't make a good reason to do it.

[zosia]

actually you didn't you said raiding is the only form of progressing which isn't true.

has nothing to do with not liking your answer has to do with you being down right wrong.

First, let me quote myself from this very thread:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...n-in-4.0/page7

that is fine, you should have your own gear progression path, outside of raiding, with it's own individual ilvl. The best ilvl should come from killing hard bosses or performing difficult tasks, not grinding tomes.

Now back to you, You still have not answered my question, lololololol. Dodge Duck Dip Dive Dodge!

Why does it matter to you if there is a 10 ilvl difference. Does that petty little ilvl difference really matter to you so much? Don't bother replying to me unless you answer my question, because I am done responding to you until you answer it.

[Nalien]

i am not sure you are getting my point no one needs extra ilvl gear in this game (as it's not wow ff11 eq)

Item level is this games form of progression, everyone needs extra item levels as a result... A MMO with no endgame progression is a dead MMO...

My issue is with SE treating the games progression, as Jynx put it, as a participation award... It makes far more sense to me, for there to be (at least) two different paths for progression, with each tailored to player type... Instead we have one, and because it has to cater to everyone, it frequently invalidates content... Why would I do Midas, when I know 3.4 is going to make i250/i260 readily available? I don't need to actively do Midas in order to prepare for Creator, and Gordias is just rotting in a ditch somewhere... Item levels are pointless as a result, they're replaced far too frequently... The complaint from "casuals" though, is that their item level would feel pointless if a group of more active players were earning higher item levels... It's an odd mentality IMO, I mean never mind that item levels are pointless anyway, how are these people even paying their subscription fee? Shouldn't they be living on the street having shredded their paychecks because someone out there is earning more than them? I mean, someone out there is doing better than them, everything in their life must be worthless then... That's not how the world works though, yet for some reason that's the complaint that is, IMO, dooming XIVs progression system...

And just a disclaimer; I would not describe myself as a raider, or even particularly hardcore in XIV. My issue stems from a casual mindset... I'd rather have two progression models, one for me and one for raiders, and I'd be perfectly happy with raiders getting more out of theirs, because they're putting more into the game... That might even motivate me to start raiding... Instead we have a game where my motivation sits very low... I want a game where I can look at someones gear and go "Cool! I want that!", whether I can actually get it is irrelevant to me, it makes the game seem grander. I'd (hopefully) be enjoying whatever I'm doing, yet there would be another peak to climb... That's the kind of game that holds my interest... Instead SE actively levels mountains and resets everyone at the same point...

[Nalien]

once again why does your raid have to give you better gear when you don't need it?.

You're joking, right? Raids are perhaps the one place better gear is justifiable... Why do "casuals" need i260 from Scriptures when they probably don't even require i210 for the content they do?

[zosia]

Item level is this games form of progression, everyone needs extra item levels as a result... A MMO with no endgame progression is a dead MMO...

My issue is with SE treating the games progression, as Jynx put it, as a participation award... It makes far more sense to me, for there to be (at least) two different paths for progression, with each tailored to player type... Instead we have one, and because it has to cater to everyone, it frequently invalidates content... Why would I do Midas, when I know 3.4 is going to make i250/i260 readily available? I don't need to actively do Midas in order to prepare for Creator, and Gordias is just rotting in a ditch somewhere... Item levels are pointless as a result, they're replaced far too frequently... The complaint from "casuals" though, is that their item level would feel pointless if a group of more active players were earning higher item levels... It's an odd mentality IMO, I mean never mind that item levels are pointless anyway, how are these people even paying their subscription fee? Shouldn't they be living on the street having shredded their paychecks because someone out there is earning more than them? I mean, someone out there is doing better than them, everything in their life must be worthless then... That's not how the world works though, yet for some reason that's the complaint that is, IMO, dooming XIVs progression system...

The thing is, peple like Musashidon don't even want to be empathetic towards raiders. They don't care if we spend millions of gil on craftables and close to a hundred hours on progression. None of that matters to a person like Musashidon. They are not willing or don't care about walking a mile in our moccasins. You can give them any reason as to why the rewards for savage are underwhelming, they don't care. It's entitlement at it's finest.

He/She is incapable of seeing why we might be frustrated at the current reward structure. That farming BiS for the last few months is pointless. That farming additional clears is pointless. What Mushashidon does not understand that this poor reward structure impacts the game in a negative way across all player strata. How can the rewards from causal and midcore content be impactful when the rewards for savage are not even impactful? It's a problem from the top down and it needs reworking, but it will never happen because of players like Mushashidon, who are unwilling to make any compromise. This game will stay the bland vanilla paste it has become and it will spoil soon.