Monk in Raids?

[Spayd]

Well, Delirium and DK don't do the same thing so there is a little bitte more utility :P

Except they do. Both gives 10% int down, and Dragon Kick only benefits monk, which is not a raid utility in that case.

[MiracleBob]

Blunt resistance down is only for Monks? Really?

[Krindor]

Blunt resistance down is only for Monks? Really?

Well, the casters can utilize it as well, if they are book/staff smacking iirc, which barely has any effect. But realistically, no.

[maylee]

If a group goes PLD/WAR (like mine!) MNKs are the favored melee because of Dragon Kick. If you roll with a DRK, NIN/DRG is more viable.

[Claire_Pendragon]

This thread makes me think we'll see a blunt user for one of the 3 new jobs in 4.0

[Sailysium]

If a group goes PLD/WAR (like mine!) MNKs are the favored melee because of Dragon Kick. If you roll with a DRK, NIN/DRG is more viable.

One thing to note, a monk handling int down means more SE combos for DRK to boost their dps a little bit, similar to slashing debuff overlap from War/Nin boosting one of those two when the other handles the utility. Ofc, still not ideal to pair DRK and MNK unless for int down on multiple targets like balls in a6s or the bosses in a1s

[Cabalabob]

One thing to note, a monk handling int down means more SE combos for DRK to boost their dps a little bit, similar to slashing debuff overlap from War/Nin boosting one of those two when the other handles the utility. Ofc, still not ideal to pair DRK and MNK unless for int down on multiple targets like balls in a6s or the bosses in a1s

While technically true the difference is nowhere near as big or noticeable as WAR + NIN, dark arts spamming isn't sustainable on DRK and if you don't break it up with another combo every now and again you'll run out of mp fast. So regardless of if there's a MNK in the party, a DRK will still use delirium as their strongest non-dark arts combo and vice versa a MNK will still use dragon kick for blunt down regardless of if there's a DRK.

So with DRK + MNK you'll gain maybe an extra souleater you wouldn't have used without the MNK at random intervals. While with WAR + NIN, dancing edge and storm's eye have exactly the same effect, WAR keeps storm's eye up anyway while NIN can replace a dancing edge with an aeolian edge for an extra 60 potency every 20 seconds, for no cost.

[KarstenS]

strongest non-dark arts combo

When just looking at the potencies, the strongest "non-dark arts" combo is the power slash combo with 20 more potency than the delirium combo.

[Cabalabob]

When just looking at the potencies, the strongest "non-dark arts" combo is the power slash combo with 20 more potency than the delirium combo.

What? You need to look at that again. Power slash combo (hard slash 150, spinning slash 220, power slash 300)= 670 potency. Delirium combo (hard slash 150, syphon strike 250, delirium 280)= 680 potency.

[Claire_Pendragon]

(hard slash 150, spinning slash 220, power slash 300)= 670 potency. Delirium combo (hard slash 150, syphon strike 250, delirium 280)= 680 potency.

Not only is it 10 more potency, it gives MP, which you feed into Dark Arts for more damage.
The more you use your threat combo, the less MP you'll have to use up.