I just can't understand the mentality. + My thoughts.

[Kaurie]

This seems like a personal issue. Not an issue with DF itself.

Fairly certain all issues that we are discussing in these forums are personal issues.

[Vidu]

We'll have to disagree on some points As far as making the social aspect better - introduce cross-server friends, cross-server /t's and cross-server guesting (which would allow you to visit friends on other servers and vice versa).

Most content is completed through DF, and you are matched up with randoms that you will probably never see again. I'm sure everyone has run into that really awesome person that they'd love to have more fun with, but you can't. I also think that would help curb the amount of prats that you run across in DF. People have no fear because they know they'll never see you again, but they may change their tune a bit if they actually have to deal with their behavior once the run ends.

That wouldnt make the social aspect "better", that would only make the community bigger. I can understand why you would want that though and its not a bad thing to ask for.
Still, to me it seems as if you're a bit dreamy and naive here - the DF is a great tool to make sure you get into the dungeons you want to do. Once in a while I see a poor little dps in PF for one of the first dungeons that they need for the story. How much fun would you actually have, waiting for three other people to enter a dungeon from the portal on the map?
Look how many people are struggeling to find statics etc. etc.
Why is it bad that you can just go into your dungeons through easy means? And I say you CAN - you dont have to. If you prefer a more social gameplay, you can have that aswell, you just need to put the effort into it. You're just not forced anymore to make sure that you have friends around to acompany you for your runs.

I'm also wondering what kind of people you think would change their behavior? The silent ones, that arent chatty all the way long? I rarely speak in dungeons, I'm not their for a conversation but to play the game. Why would I change that attitude just because I'm gonna see you again?
For harrassment etc. you can fill a report or have a GM handle the situation. But assholes are gonna be assholes and they probably dont care when they see you again. (I would also guess that they're mostly acting like jerks because its the internet so they dont have to look you in the eye - not because they never gonna see you again. Why should they even care about that?)

If you want social, funny, chatty runs: Go in with friends and just ignore the DF? I'm pretty sure nostalgia got the best of you when you were imagening a world without it...

[Velhart]

lol, good job trying to blow off an actual issue as "my personal problem". Been an absolute pleasure trying to have conversation with you.

Am I wrong? You will deal with toxic people rather if it is DF or not. You are going to be with random people sometimes, your friends are not on 24/7. Don't blame a convenient tool for these reasons. Also, if you truly believe to have a strong point, you won't simply just blow my statement off either. The specific purpose of the DF tool is to get what you need to done without the hassles that you had to deal with in FFXI. Sit in Jeuno and wait for people wanting to EXP. Pretty much making your own parties when you are not a desired job in groups.

If you want something like a cross-play platform for DF to join friends from a same data center, there is nothing wrong with that. Saying DF itself is a big issue, you are on a very weak platform there.

Fairly certain all issues that we are discussing in these forums are personal issues.

The argument is if the DF is serving it's purpose and if it is damaging to the game. The excuses I hear are more personal than an argument of it's functionality.

[Kaurie]

The argument is if the DF is serving it's purpose and if it is damaging to the game. The excuses I hear are more personal than an argument of it's functionality.

This I understand. What I am saying is 99.99999% of complaints (or praises, and often comments) on the forum are due to peoples personal opinions, rather than functionality - especially if you exclude the tech support subforum

For example, just two posts before you saying "sounds like a personal problem" you began a post stating your personal opinion.

I have to side with Ametrine. I personally enjoy an MMO where I am given new goals ...

[Kurogaea]

snips

You can mention how dull dungeons are in this game,
how savage mode alexander feels more like miniature dungeons with mobs and a memory game boss that does the exact same thing each time,
How the battle system is completely lack luster and is very team heavy making even the most less experienced player wipe a group of pros instantly,
constant nerfing of recent content making your achievements look like shit,
how the world is massive but really non-threatening,
how disappointing the airships were,
how disappointing Diadem is,
how disappointing the Squadrons most likely will be (They're being verrry sly about it, same with Airships),
How silly the quest names are being jokes on American trends and culture because IMMERSION,
how dull pvp is and the amount of bs they did to the pvp rank system making those who participated and lost 600 times out of 300 wins to get to max rank for nothing but crap pvp stat buffs,
how useless pvp gear has been since pvp was even a thing,
how laughable feast is adding crap rewards and matchig new players to feast screwing up another players rank because every time you lose you lose your rank points
.......But no one will give a single Opo dropping because this game is final fantasy and Yoshi P is everyone's senpai, "Nerf me senpai!" "Make me grind more senpai!" "More RNG senpai!", they won't care. They forgive anything the devs decide no matter how flawed it was, if anyone outside the teams request anything like larger more dungeons that require thinking then everyone will be on you like an S rank hunt. What I do is just post my ideas on the forums, at least there we're entitled to state our opinions no matter what. I wouldn't say the game is boring on a linkshell (even though mine is actually very lax) mainly since there's a certain moral to not diss on a game when there's new players about. Gotta let them enjoy it and towards end game they'll understand.

Anyways, to me its only boring at end game and realize you need 7 people who don't mind learning with you to do most of anything. This is FFXIV. Tedious GRIND covered in HALLWAYS of chocolate with BEAUTIFUL VISUAL APPEAL and serenaded with the FINEST MUSIC, stuffed with FF/Yoshi fanatics that will IMPALE ANYONE willing to change its contents. Huh, reminds me of....... nahhh. Now excuse me while I play some FF13

[Skivvy]

That wouldnt make the social aspect "better", that would only make the community bigger. I can understand why you would want that though and its not a bad thing to ask for.
Still, to me it seems as if you're a bit dreamy and naive here - the DF is a great tool to make sure you get into the dungeons you want to do. Once in a while I see a poor little dps in PF for one of the first dungeons that they need for the story. How much fun would you actually have, waiting for three other people to enter a dungeon from the portal on the map?
Look how many people are struggeling to find statics etc. etc.
Why is it bad that you can just go into your dungeons through easy means? And I say you CAN - you dont have to. If you prefer a more social gameplay, you can have that aswell, you just need to put the effort into it. You're just not forced anymore to make sure that you have friends around to acompany you for your runs.

I'm also wondering what kind of people you think would change their behavior? The silent ones, that arent chatty all the way long? I rarely speak in dungeons, I'm not their for a conversation but to play the game. Why would I change that attitude just because I'm gonna see you again?
For harrassment etc. you can fill a report or have a GM handle the situation. But assholes are gonna be assholes and they probably dont care when they see you again. (I would also guess that they're mostly acting like jerks because its the internet so they dont have to look you in the eye - not because they never gonna see you again. Why should they even care about that?)

If you want social, funny, chatty runs: Go in with friends and just ignore the DF? I'm pretty sure nostalgia got the best of you when you were imagening a world without it...

I never said I want DF to be removed. My first job in XI was a monk, post KRT parties - I know the pain of waiting for 3 hours LFP and not getting an invite. I think DF is a great addition to the game - but it does hinder the social aspect of XIV since you're playing with randoms you'll never see again, which is why I'd love for them to expand the communication options between servers.

[Vidu]

Everything sucks (unless you're a "fanboy)...

...but... I dont get it - I honestly dont get it: Why are you playing this game that probably costs you more time and money than any other if you dislike every bit of it?

I'm bored by the game myself lately and I'm not thrilled or excited about the last additions the devs made - yeah, Diadem wasnt fun but I think its good the devs are at least trying new stuff.
But you make it sound like you dont enjoy ANYTHING in the game (you have forgotten to mention crafting and gathering btw!), so... what are you doing here? I really, really dont mean to be rude - I'm just wondering why you would be willing to pay for a game that has nothing fun to offer to you.

Everyone probably likes and dislikes certain aspects of the game - I dont care much about raiding, but I do like crafting (I can still understand why someone wouldnt... honestly...) - but if you come off as someone who just doesnt care about the game as whole and think its shit, that someone should probably ask themself "why am I still p(l)aying this?"
And about mentioning that around other people... imagine you're invited by your friends to an italian restaurant they like. You say "Fine sure, sounds good to me". And then you arrive their, get the menu and be all like "Eeeh, dont they have anything greek? I dont like this kind of food!". Your friends offer to go somewhere else, but you be like "nah, its fine" and order something - and keep complaining the whole meal how this sucks and there used to be a greek restaurant right at this place that was so much better, while you continue to eat your food, claiming "I'm gonna be sick tomorrow because of this" from time to time. Yeah, sounds like a perfect evening to me...

Dont get me wrong - I'm not happy about the grinds either and I do hope they gonna change that somehow... maybe... but having someone around who constantly points out how this game sucks just... sucks because it ruins the fun for everyone. And I'm glad to hear that you dont bad mouth the game around new players. It does has a lot of things to offer and they're still seeing the stuff with fresh eyes and can get excited about a lot of stuff - yeah, they'll grow up soon enough :P you dont have a child sitting around the table when discussing bills, taxes and how much being an adult sucks either :P

I guess all I'm trying to say is - why is it so hard to let people, who can enjoy this game, enjoy it? Instead of making them question why they even play - because if someone has to answer that question it would first be the people being unhappy about almost everything.

[Kurogaea]

Good points + surprisingly not stabbing Raif right now

Because of 3 reasons actually. The story, my friends, and......thats just about it.

My friends make up most of my fun and interests. If you ever sen me in game I'm most likely jumping in circles while typing in a linkshell about silly stuff, and thats a linkshell me and my friends made together. Even the fc is fun, it may be small right now but building a fc isn't so bad as its getting larger and meeting new players is fun sometimes, even though we have plenty of filtering we have to do in this diverse community.

Hm what else.....I guess just about anything that doesn't involve waiting on a que or suffering for one's mistakes. Its something I can find in just about any MMO. I guess I could go play another but thats the thing. I payed for this game. 3 years ago I was having soooo much fun, year later I wandered around still looking for interesting things to do and achieved my own drama baggage by then due to elitest which are funny to me but I'll get to that in a sec.

Year after I find out there was very little reason for me to play longer than 2 weeks. Why now? because the game has gotten so friggen slowww. Its not even burnout, because I had that crap long before ffxiv. The story was the most interesting (and sometimes the most annoying, looking at you Betanaud) and the music, oh the music is so good....before hearing it so many times over. When the grind commences, the fun stops for me, and the one thing that don't involve tedious crap is my friends and story. Speaking of tedious, savage modes! You'd think they'd reward you with more story, but they offer you gear instead. Why's that a bad thing you ask? Its just a trophy that'll be overshadowed later. If BIS actually mattered I would care more, its not like the story is so hard I need every materia slot filled.

I miss how extreme modes gave you a cutscene at the end. Now its just, "You beat it, here's a toy you can play with. *throws in your face*" I used to like trying these but running a little of them its just not worth it. Its why you see so many people complaining about em, they're hard for all the wrong reasons.

Anyways that's all I like about ffxiv, also little extra rant...srry.

[Vidu]

The reason!

Thank you for your answer, its really appericiated!

And I can actually relate a lot to that! I've been playing this game for 3 years straight aswell, never took a break. I enjoyed the Coil raids for their story and I have no interest in savage (and declined several offers to join statics) because they dont have a storyline I can follow (I dont even care about the NM-story, I'm doing it ofc, but... well, I enjoyed coil a lot more!) I cant explain it myself really, but somehow I enjoyed doing EX-Primals and farming ponies more during ARR (...I'm still gonna get all those birds on day, just wait...!) And I can also agree on you how "stupid" it is that gear matters so little most of the time. I'm carrying about 1.500 lore tomes right now, but cant be bothered to get new gear, because that would mean: Re-glamour and why even bother?

So, I'd like to say: I do understand you and can totally relate to some of those problems!

Still: I like the game! I like the story, the "special" sidequests (Hilli, I'm coming for yoooouuu!), the music, the whole design (this game is really pretty to me) and ofc I like doing dungeons or maps or deep dungeon with friends!
The game made it very hard to be loved lately - I can even agree on mayn of your points - and you may tell me to take off my red-tinted glasses and stop being so naive, but I still want to like that game. That doesnt mean I dont see the problems within it or deny that they are there! I see them and I am annoyed by them as you are! As I said before: I'm playing a lot less lately, enjoying other games and thats helping me to find enjoyment in FFXIV again too.

Our characters are old, they've seen a lot - they've seen everything! When we go in a new dungeon we're all like "Okay, this boss is gonna work like XY, oh its this mechanic again..." but for someone who just started the game thats all new and exciting! After three years, can we really expect to still be surprised by the things they put into a game thats natuarlly limited by its general mechanics (and the PS3)?

I like the game. And thats why I dont wanna ruin the fun I'm having with it - and the reason I'm wondering so much when people just seem to hate everything about it, yet still play. I try to focus on the things I enjoy - not on stuff I dont. I dont expect one game to fullfill all my wishes anymore... and I probably didnt made a lot of sense here and jumped a lot from thought to thought... forgive me, please, I'm deadtired - just the time to go and grab my last Yo-Kai-medals!

[AnaviAnael]

I'm getting sick of the same argument about FFXI vs FFXIV styles of gear progession.

Lots of other points I agree with.

I feel the same way. I understand why people like Skivvy enjoy the XI style of gear (you work hard and use the piece for years), but I prefer the way it is in XIV.

I've said it before to friends, but imagine if we were STILL doing Coil because its gear was relevant. Most people wouldn't enjoy that.