I just can't understand the mentality. + My thoughts.

[Skivvy]

If you look at it, between the two games, their social aspects are not too far apart. Difference is we don't have another group ruining our end game plans for the evening. Not only that, how exactly would you fix the social aspect?

We'll have to disagree on some points As far as making the social aspect better - introduce cross-server friends, cross-server /t's and cross-server guesting (which would allow you to visit friends on other servers and vice versa).

Most content is completed through DF, and you are matched up with randoms that you will probably never see again. I'm sure everyone has run into that really awesome person that they'd love to have more fun with, but you can't. I also think that would help curb the amount of prats that you run across in DF. People have no fear because they know they'll never see you again, but they may change their tune a bit if they actually have to deal with their behavior once the run ends.

[Velhart]

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This seems like a personal issue. Not an issue with DF itself.

[Skivvy]

This seems like a personal issue. Not an issue with DF itself.

lol, good job trying to blow off an actual issue as "my personal problem". Been an absolute pleasure trying to have conversation with you.

[Velhart]

lol, good job trying to blow off an actual issue as "my personal problem". Been an absolute pleasure trying to have conversation with you.

Am I wrong? You will deal with toxic people rather if it is DF or not. You are going to be with random people sometimes, your friends are not on 24/7. Don't blame a convenient tool for these reasons. Also, if you truly believe to have a strong point, you won't simply just blow my statement off either. The specific purpose of the DF tool is to get what you need to done without the hassles that you had to deal with in FFXI. Sit in Jeuno and wait for people wanting to EXP. Pretty much making your own parties when you are not a desired job in groups.

If you want something like a cross-play platform for DF to join friends from a same data center, there is nothing wrong with that. Saying DF itself is a big issue, you are on a very weak platform there.

Fairly certain all issues that we are discussing in these forums are personal issues.

The argument is if the DF is serving it's purpose and if it is damaging to the game. The excuses I hear are more personal than an argument of it's functionality.

[Kaurie]

The argument is if the DF is serving it's purpose and if it is damaging to the game. The excuses I hear are more personal than an argument of it's functionality.

This I understand. What I am saying is 99.99999% of complaints (or praises, and often comments) on the forum are due to peoples personal opinions, rather than functionality - especially if you exclude the tech support subforum

For example, just two posts before you saying "sounds like a personal problem" you began a post stating your personal opinion.

I have to side with Ametrine. I personally enjoy an MMO where I am given new goals ...

[Kaurie]

This seems like a personal issue. Not an issue with DF itself.

Fairly certain all issues that we are discussing in these forums are personal issues.

[Vidu]

We'll have to disagree on some points As far as making the social aspect better - introduce cross-server friends, cross-server /t's and cross-server guesting (which would allow you to visit friends on other servers and vice versa).

Most content is completed through DF, and you are matched up with randoms that you will probably never see again. I'm sure everyone has run into that really awesome person that they'd love to have more fun with, but you can't. I also think that would help curb the amount of prats that you run across in DF. People have no fear because they know they'll never see you again, but they may change their tune a bit if they actually have to deal with their behavior once the run ends.

That wouldnt make the social aspect "better", that would only make the community bigger. I can understand why you would want that though and its not a bad thing to ask for.
Still, to me it seems as if you're a bit dreamy and naive here - the DF is a great tool to make sure you get into the dungeons you want to do. Once in a while I see a poor little dps in PF for one of the first dungeons that they need for the story. How much fun would you actually have, waiting for three other people to enter a dungeon from the portal on the map?
Look how many people are struggeling to find statics etc. etc.
Why is it bad that you can just go into your dungeons through easy means? And I say you CAN - you dont have to. If you prefer a more social gameplay, you can have that aswell, you just need to put the effort into it. You're just not forced anymore to make sure that you have friends around to acompany you for your runs.

I'm also wondering what kind of people you think would change their behavior? The silent ones, that arent chatty all the way long? I rarely speak in dungeons, I'm not their for a conversation but to play the game. Why would I change that attitude just because I'm gonna see you again?
For harrassment etc. you can fill a report or have a GM handle the situation. But assholes are gonna be assholes and they probably dont care when they see you again. (I would also guess that they're mostly acting like jerks because its the internet so they dont have to look you in the eye - not because they never gonna see you again. Why should they even care about that?)

If you want social, funny, chatty runs: Go in with friends and just ignore the DF? I'm pretty sure nostalgia got the best of you when you were imagening a world without it...

[Skivvy]

That wouldnt make the social aspect "better", that would only make the community bigger. I can understand why you would want that though and its not a bad thing to ask for.
Still, to me it seems as if you're a bit dreamy and naive here - the DF is a great tool to make sure you get into the dungeons you want to do. Once in a while I see a poor little dps in PF for one of the first dungeons that they need for the story. How much fun would you actually have, waiting for three other people to enter a dungeon from the portal on the map?
Look how many people are struggeling to find statics etc. etc.
Why is it bad that you can just go into your dungeons through easy means? And I say you CAN - you dont have to. If you prefer a more social gameplay, you can have that aswell, you just need to put the effort into it. You're just not forced anymore to make sure that you have friends around to acompany you for your runs.

I'm also wondering what kind of people you think would change their behavior? The silent ones, that arent chatty all the way long? I rarely speak in dungeons, I'm not their for a conversation but to play the game. Why would I change that attitude just because I'm gonna see you again?
For harrassment etc. you can fill a report or have a GM handle the situation. But assholes are gonna be assholes and they probably dont care when they see you again. (I would also guess that they're mostly acting like jerks because its the internet so they dont have to look you in the eye - not because they never gonna see you again. Why should they even care about that?)

If you want social, funny, chatty runs: Go in with friends and just ignore the DF? I'm pretty sure nostalgia got the best of you when you were imagening a world without it...

I never said I want DF to be removed. My first job in XI was a monk, post KRT parties - I know the pain of waiting for 3 hours LFP and not getting an invite. I think DF is a great addition to the game - but it does hinder the social aspect of XIV since you're playing with randoms you'll never see again, which is why I'd love for them to expand the communication options between servers.