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  1. #51
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    Bourne_Endeavor's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by aesteval View Post
    I wonder how many people wouldn't wait if the original grind was milder in the first place. Some of these steps can be hard to justify the player time needed for the original grind. The 210 step is a major example.
    This really needs to be emphasised. Had the 210 step been say, going to slaying old EX Primals with some mild grinding involved, I wager far more people would have done it. But the grind at only the second evolution was enormous for a weapon we didn't know would be customizable later on. For DRG, I don't get any crit until I put it in myself. So while I was still doing the grind... he wasn't as high a priority.

    I am kind of curious how many people did do it despite the complaints though. I suspect it's far higher than people might think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor View Post
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    A great deal of time has been indeed lost, for those who actually took the initiative, or was at least at the level to do so. Regardless of how necessary it may have felt for them to nerf it at some point, it won't make up for the several hours of a person's life lost, for something someone else could flick their wrist a few times by comparison to obtain. But the complaints anyone has in regards to the second relic is almost completely redundant, as this was the very thing they had done with the first relic. The biggest difference is that the steps overall are much much smaller for the new relic. The experience felt cheapened, and my eagerness to actually complete it wavered to a meager "I'll dungeon on occasion when it's convenient" state of mind by the time I had reached the current final phase of the relic. That's not ok, but that's also what I believe to be the fault behind the situation that has a number of people in a tizzy. But they're too late to complain. Like... way too late.
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    Last edited by CheshirePuss; 08-25-2016 at 10:10 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CheshirePuss View Post
    A great deal of time has been indeed lost, for those who actually took the initiative, or was at least at the level to do so.
    people were playing a game and had fun no? hows that time lost pls explain ^^
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    Quote Originally Posted by Khemorex View Post
    people were playing a game and had fun no? hows that time lost pls explain ^^
    obsessive grind, and speedrunning are not what many consider fun. especially since the 210 step was released last, causing players to think themselves under the gun to complete it for that tier. I'm glad for the change, but would it have killed them to not make it so bad the first time? Rather than make it bad and spout many excuses, hoping one sticks? if it is already clear the relic is never going to catch up to the raid in terms of performance, why bother with the charade of making it "as bad"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Khemorex View Post
    people were playing a game and had fun no? hows that time lost pls explain ^^
    The thrill with the first relic was the fact that there was a tolerable difficulty with not only dungeoning, but actually being made to learn about the game, its available fates and monsters, and somewhat plan with a few fellow players when light farming. Most of that was dashed away with this new relic, as nearly ever phase is just pure dungeon grinding. While I enjoy boasting my Monk's damage by example during my runs, I'm only there because I have to be, not because I want to be.
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    I don't see why people would complain, it happened to the first one and we all knew it was going to happen to this one as well. People didn't HAVE to grind, craft or pay to get the relic first but they chose to knowing full well nerfs would come to the step.
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    I'm actually stoked about the nerf. I thought I'd be pissed about it, because I did spend a butt load of time grinding for the tokens. But the nerf came at a good time for me. I had 20 of each token, and plenty of seals and money to buy two sets of crafted items. Long story short, I upgraded two relics instead of just one. Others might not be as lucky as I was, but with the work I put into it, I'm satisfied with my two new relics.
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    they will nerf the relic steps as the content comes newer, it happened since ARR relic.. this is cycle happened alot time from tome grind, atma grind etc. now it happened again, so expect 230 will be nerf too...

    btw i have been through it until Excalibur Zeta then it nerf the steps when HW comes.. i think it is normal and agreed with the way SE do this since it is olddd stuffs..

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    Last edited by Lacus-Clyne; 08-26-2016 at 04:21 AM.

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    Febreealle Goldlyonse
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    Relic nerf is 100% fine. At a moderately casual pace, it's still a 2 week effort to get a relic from start to 230. Considering the myriad alternatives to get a better weapon with less effort than that right now, no sensible person should have a legitimate complaint IMHO. There's still a 24000 Eso Grind + Crystal Sands standing between that 230 relic (5th/6th best weapon) and being the 2nd best weapon a person can get right now. In a game that touts multi-job accessibility, having a 6 month grind to get a 5th tier weapon for each job could almost be considered laughable.
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    M'telihgo Feilyon
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    Quote Originally Posted by Khemorex View Post
    people were playing a game and had fun no? hows that time lost pls explain ^^
    I'm not so sure we were having fun. Since 2.0, that has been the complaint of many people.

    For the 2.0 relic, it was this:

    1) Get base weapon from a chest in a beastman stronghold
    2) Get a crafted weapon
    3) Do the Chimera trial
    4) Do Amdapor Keep
    5) Kill 24 beastmen
    6) Do the Hydra trial
    7) Do Ifrit HM
    8) Do Garuda HM
    9) Do Titan HM
    10) Buy Tomestone item for 900 Philosophy (uncapped)

    Sadly, relic progression was reduced to a brain dead grind ever since.

    Compare that to 3.15 Relic
    1) Complete about 120-300 FATEs in HW areas
    2) Complete 10 different dungeons
    3) Gather 80 unidentified items and 16 crafted items (pick 1 below or mix and match them)
    a) Complete 1,040 Beastman Tribe Quests
    b) Gather 27,200 Poetics and 27,200 Law
    c) Complete A1N-A4N 68 times each (272 total)

    I don't know about anyone else, but I considered the 2.0 relic to be fun. The 3.1 relic is more of a chore.

    I only took 1 past the 210 threshold because I knew a nerf was coming. I can complete 3 more to i230 now with the materials I saved up. I think it is sad that they took a weapon that was gated behind doing some somewhat challenging content and changed that into how much boredom can you stand before you cry uncle.
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    #GetSelliBack2018

    Reading too much of the forums makes me very sad and apathetic.

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