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    Quote Originally Posted by StouterTaru View Post
    The 2nd tick would give extra MP from being in UI-2, which is an extra 10% or 15% of your max MP.
    Understood, except that 10% isn't enough. It's barely enough at 15% WITH PIE buff. Without it the PIE buff it's still not enough.
    So even if it is a slight Potency upgrade (which since it delays your rotation by a minimum of 1.7 seconds per Freeze even with Ley Lines and 2.22 GCD I'm not entirely sure it is) it is situational at best.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FunkyBunch View Post
    Understood, except that 10% isn't enough. It's barely enough at 15% WITH PIE buff. Without it the PIE buff it's still not enough.
    Just ran it in game, and it's plenty without Piety buff. You get 32% for UI1, 47% for UI2 in battle (35%/50% outside battle). UI1 reduces fire spell cost to half of base MP cost, UI2 reduces them to a quarter of base MP cost.

    I used the following with a 2.19 sec GCD:
    Eno > LL > RS > Fire 3 > Fire II x3 > Swift > Flare > Convert > Flare > Transpose > Freeze > Fire 3 > Fire II x2 > Flare > Transpose

    That took roughly 33 seconds with a fast MP first tick after the first transpose. The first MP tick after the 2nd transpose was less than a second.

    Then the same rotation minus LL and Freeze, took roughly 34 seconds with a medium wait on first MP first tick after the first transpose. The first MP tick after the 2nd transpose was less than a second.

    Rotation time is almost exactly the same, total potency is about 5% higher with LL + Freeze. That's pretty unspectacular for 15% off your cast time. I'll have to try it out next time I get arrow for an AoE rotation, but I'm not gonna make a habit of using LL for AoE.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StouterTaru View Post
    Rotation time is almost exactly the same, total potency is about 5% higher with LL + Freeze. That's pretty unspectacular for 15% off your cast time. I'll have to try it out next time I get arrow for an AoE rotation, but I'm not gonna make a habit of using LL for AoE.
    How much MP do you have?
    I'll have to try it out again. I just mathed I couldn't do the rotation, but maybe that was because of the 1/4 F3 cost I missed.
    I have 11400 with PIE buff and that gives me 65 MP to spare.

    But it seems like an awful lot of effort for not much gain trying to find a use for a useless spell. Aiming it on PS4 is a PITA because it stupidly is initially aimed by your camera angle so I'd have to macro it which would slow down my rotation even more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FunkyBunch View Post
    How much MP do you have?
    I'll have to try it out again. I just mathed I couldn't do the rotation, but maybe that was because of the 1/4 F3 cost I missed.
    I have 11400 with PIE buff and that gives me 65 MP to spare.

    But it seems like an awful lot of effort for not much gain trying to find a use for a useless spell. Aiming it on PS4 is a PITA because it stupidly is initially aimed by your camera angle so I'd have to macro it which would slow down my rotation even more.
    11400 MP should give you 3648+5358 for 9006 MP

    Freeze - 1768
    Fire 3 - 442
    Fire 2 - 2652
    Fire 2 - 2652
    Flare - 884
    Total - 8398

    As for casting Freeze, use a macro for it, no ground targeting required:

    /micon Freeze
    /ac Freeze <t>
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    Quote Originally Posted by StouterTaru View Post
    11400 MP should give you 3648+5358 for 9006 MP

    Freeze - 1768
    Fire 3 - 442
    Fire 2 - 2652
    Fire 2 - 2652
    Flare - 884
    Total - 8398

    As for casting Freeze, use a macro for it, no ground targeting required:

    /micon Freeze
    /ac Freeze <t>
    Correct, I must have had fat fingers on my calculator that day.
    I guess if it's a DPS increase and the fight will take ~90 seconds I "should" try using Ley Lines, but your SS is higher than mine it seems. My GCD is 2.22 and it seems like 0.03 too high to benefit.
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