Do YOU think we'll get a new Tank and/or Healer in 4.0? And vice versa.

[DragoonSantos]

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[Mugiawara]

We'll get at least one tank or one healer guaranteed. Only adding dps would completely destroy queue times.

To be honest with you, the only way to really balance the game, and it may not even help...but is to make
SAM, BLU, RDM and every other MOST wanted job as a tank.
There, we may or may not have an increase of tanks. That's why DRK is a tank.
Let em put the bad ass edgy job in the fronts lines for everyone.
Healer queues are as good as DPS right now, for me anyways.

[ChazNatlo]

Please do explain how they will make a caster who wears light armor and is squishy on the frontline a tank, without completely breaking the characteristics of the Red Mage job like FFXI did.

Bit of shameless picking your most blatant quote, but traditionally Red Mage has had moderate defences, due to being able to equip Chain or light plate ((Not, admittedly, the heaviest armour.)) and equip swords. It'd still take some work to make them a tank, but Red mages are hardly squishy casters. And by traditional I do mean since FFI.

[Lokier]

A WHM tank would be kind of interested tbh, you could create magic walls to avoid damage etc... Oh, your weapon could become a sword and shield when in combat.

[AlphaFox]

Think we would see a pure caster tank before a healer tank. Which honestly I am all for, could be like...
Tank Stance : Can not be interrupted cept by normal means (silence, stun, moving) with increased hate but lower damage
DPS stance :They can be interrupted but do more damage.

However, I kinda feel it will be Tank/Dps, I can't imagine them doing 2 dps unless they basically want to buff wait times.

To be honest with you, the only way to really balance the game, and it may not even help...but is to make
SAM, BLU, RDM and every other MOST wanted job as a tank.

While it would boost it for a time and I admit some people have learned to love tanking, putting all jobs as a Tank will not increase it by much. Some people flat out refuse to tank, regardless of which class gets put into it. I mean yeah for awhile we may see amazing times for all classes in DF but eventually it will trickle back down.

[DragoonSantos]

To be honest with you, the only way to really balance the game, and it may not even help...but is to make
SAM, BLU, RDM and every other MOST wanted job as a tank.
There, we may or may not have an increase of tanks. That's why DRK is a tank.
Let em put the bad ass edgy job in the fronts lines for everyone.
Healer queues are as good as DPS right now, for me anyways.

I hope so! we have mad designers why don't they just hire and intern a bunch, wtf

[Alacran]

Why people insist on shoehorning RDM into a Tank I simply don't get. Sure a little work is all that's needed, but it already fits the wanted sword DPS class/ Job so well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KxjGn30PDA (fight starts @ 44 seconds)

There have been plenty of in series references to the job that denote just how powerful it can be, stylistically it is one of the most recognizable staple of the series, and again it would give players the much wanted sword DPS.

[Fevelle]

Bit of shameless picking your most blatant quote, but traditionally Red Mage has had moderate defences, due to being able to equip Chain or light plate ((Not, admittedly, the heaviest armour.)) and equip swords. It'd still take some work to make them a tank, but Red mages are hardly squishy casters. And by traditional I do mean since FFI.

Wearing chain and light plate - aka light armor - is not enough to make a caster a tank. Also, making a quick comparison to FFXIV, where DRGs wear light armor and are squishy, tell me, how would a tank job, geared with similar equips to a DRG, survive a tankbuster? And if I remember right, Red Mages always had lower HP growth than a White Mage (since FFI).

I'm sure the devs COULD make Red Mage a tank, but just like FFXI did, by completely breaking apart from the Red Mage archetype and making a Mystic Knight by any other name.

[jack891]

dont really get what all the fuss about SAM/RDM is. i just dont see where they would fit into the balance,variety and lore of the game.
Personally i would prefer:
-Blunt damage off-tank to rival warrior, like a viking wielding a hammer (but not called that maybe berserker/ravager/enforcer?)
-Another pet class, beastmaster would be perfect and if they used whips it would also provide more blunt damage the game needs
-A caster that uses combos like MNK/DRG with hardly any DoTs, Psychic maybe?

[Jandor]

I think they'll totally rework the class/job system and we'll get no full jobs but instead be presented with a bunch of sub-jobs that can be used to augment existing jobs, because it neatly solves the problem they have that a whole bunch of classic FF jobs don't really fit into the Tank/Healer/DPS trinity.

Ok, I don't really think they'll do that, would be neat though IMHO.

To flesh out this previous post. Because I thought about it a bit since.
I was thinking mostly of Red Mage tbh, thinking you could equip it over the top of Paladin and you've got a tanky Red Mage casting enspells on its sword, refreshing the healer and doublecasting heals.
Or equip it over the top of Black Mage and you've got a DPS caster with some support skills and doublecast Flare.
Or equip it with White Mage and, well you probably get what I'm going for .

I think they could do the same with Blue Mage as well, "learning" either monster attacks or team mates abilities depending on which role it's attached to, also if going with a copying or mimic theme over the more traditional learning you could have them spreading buffs and such around the party. Seeing that 'raging strikes' buff on the BRD and copying it for themselves for instance.

You could possibly use such a system to squeeze Thief into the game, taking a bit of inspiration from FFX you could have them focus on using mix to 'create' items that can be used for various effects, with steal being used to stockpile 'reagents' or 'stolen goods' or something. I'm thinking it would be similar in execution to Ninjas Ninjistu.
So for example you might want to equip it to Monk so you can have a grenade throwing monk that can dish out TP regenerating potions.

And lastly just for fun as I've given it no real thought, Beastmaster with each job being able to tame a specific complimentary pet. Mostly just so Dragoons can get a Wyvern .

Anyway, that's my idea. Mostly brought about by seeing all the discussion over Red Mage and knowing that however it ends up being implemented a lot of people will be unhappy. So why not allow people to, in theory at least, create the RDM they want.