Make FFXIV more like FFXI and less like WoW!

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

You really need to learn.

I didn`t ask for the game to become GW2, just to be more like it. A game can use advances, techniques and good ideas from others while retaining their own form. Thats why genres exist and not a single game is absolutely independent of the influence of others. FFXIV has taken way too much from the last decade of this industry which standars have been set mostly by WoW. 3 years into the game, its time to look for new influences, specifically, in games that didn`t follow the WoW Formula.

And considering there is not a single MMORPG which takes the whole horizontal progression to an extreme as much as GW2, and that being the biggest need this game has, i see nowhere else where to take a few ideas from.

The problem with GW2, was that for at least the first 3 years of its life, there was NO endgame, and there was no reason to have 1 piece of gear over another except for "glamour." Oh wait, the community decided the attack power, crit damage, and crit % build was best, so thats what everyone used. Oh, and you didn't ever even need to run the dungeons at all, since the best gear could be crafted.

GW2 was worse off by miles than XIV in everything except world size, and the quests and events were essentially fates, and thats all the open world had. Which is probably where XIV got the fate ideas from, since everyone liked them in GW2.

[Gardthorne]

Yes. I went there.

No. 10char

[Alexander_Dragonfang]

Omg... I wonder if it is the language barrier but... Are you even trying to read?
When did "take things" or "be influenced" became "turn into" or "transform into"?

Who cares about what GW2 did wrong, which goes beyond the lack of endgame, which persist till this day btw, one raid won`t fix that. Learn. to. read.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Omg... I wonder if it is the language barrier but... Are you even trying to read?
When did "take things" or "be influenced" became "turn into" or "transform into"?

Who cares about what GW2 did wrong, which goes beyond the lack of endgame, which persist till this day btw, one raid won`t fix that. Learn. to. read.

You asked for it to become "more like it" That is incredibly vague, so theres not much i had to go off of. What else does GW2 have other than what I listed? Exploration? Ok, they have XIV there, but thats about it.

[dinnertime]

He brought what was wrong with FFXI over to 1.0 and made it worse with things like the Fatigue system, gear without levels, stats that did not matter at all, lifeless areas, class/physical level, really bad exploits, and so on.

You see the same thing in this game with the Fatigue system being similar to tome/scrip caps and time gates at everything, there's still stats that do not matter, the areas were even more lifeless because there's barely anything to do in it, classes still existing, zerging in the open world, lazy/copy-paste content and a lot more questionable design decisions. Yoshi-P's vision for the game is doing your roulettes everyday, waiting for your queue to pop up while you're on a hub and cap on tomes/scrips for the week. After you're finished, you wait for the next week/patch to come up.
This game has its own issues similar to 1.0 but people fail to see it since ARR is the better game.

People believe FFXIV was successful was because it was better than 1.0, but if you compare it to other successful MMOs out there, then it's lacking so much.

[Alexander_Dragonfang]

You asked for it to become "more like it" That is incredibly vague, so theres not much i had to go off of. What else does GW2 have other than what I listed? Exploration? Ok, they have XIV there, but thats about it.

Inventory and vanity systems are superior by a long shot.
PvP is superior in every way possible.
Dungeon exploration + open world exploration.

And taking a bit from its "horizontality" would help to fill the gap XIV has right now of absolutely no midcore content.

There is plenty of stuff to take from there.

[Zojha]

What else does GW2 have other than what I listed?

They certainly did the FATEs better, seeing as the only one with comparable open world effects is that redbelly hive in the south shroud - aaand I'm inclined to say their PvP is miles ahead of ours, if only because of the lack of trinity system. Though WvsW was cool in its own right. The heart-thingies and map achievements also gave the restless completionist a bit more to do - our sightseeing log IMO is a lot worse. Especially with the time and weather conditions.

Uhm...couldn't name much else I personally would like to see. But I admit I haven't stayed with GW2 very long after reaching max level and gaining my crafted armor.

[Alexander_Dragonfang]

The sightseeing log here is absolutely terrible to be honest. In GW2 was simple, direct, and rewarding. Here is unnecesarily complex, they at least learned and fixed it for HW...

[drivendawn]

[QUOTE=dinnertime;3811153]You see the same thing in this game with the Fatigue system being similar to tome/scrip caps and time gates at everything, there's still stats that do not matter, the areas were even more lifeless because there's barely anything to do in it, classes still existing, zerging in the open world, lazy/copy-paste content and a lot more questionable design decisions. Yoshi-P's vision for the game is doing your roulettes everyday, waiting for your queue to pop up while you're on a hub and cap on tomes/scrips for the week.



All MMO's have artificial walls to keep people from getting geared up in just a week. Whether that be high rng like in XI (not to mention 24 to 72 hour spawn rates for NM's). Token grinding and the like are in WoW and many other games including lock outs as well. Honestly the Fatigue system is IMO not comparable as it stopped you from even lvling and there for being able to do hardly anything.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Inventory and vanity systems are superior by a long shot.
PvP is superior in every way possible.
Dungeon exploration + open world exploration.

And taking a bit from its "horizontality" would help to fill the gap XIV has right now of absolutely no midcore content.

There is plenty of stuff to take from there.

I don't care for pvp, and even when i did wvw, it was just zerg rushes. GW2 had no midcore or hardcore content, it was all casual lol.

You had to really try to find people to clear all the routes in the dungeons, when I played people only did one path of the charr dungeon, and they wanted a guardian and 4 warriors to speed run it.