Power-leveling is absolutely BROKEN

[Sun-Runner]

This is complete bullsh*t. Today I was in a "normal" PT in Muntui cellars. there was one LV 50 player AOE-killing ing in the middle of the skeleton room, one in the next room, and some 20 low level people people in-between doing NOTHING. And we were kindly asked to move away, because we "disturbed" their powerleveling party.

THIS IS IDIOTIC.

So (roughly) three parties had already claimed the area and available spawns, and asked your party not to compete with them for the same enemies. Sounds fair to me. I fail to see the idiocy.

[Zenaku]

So (roughly) three parties had already claimed the area and available spawns, and asked your party not to compete with them for the same enemies. Sounds fair to me. I fail to see the idiocy.

because powerlevel should move out and find somewhere else where real players are playing. I don't care what you say how good you make it sound matter what you say you can't say PL is not broken and not break the game.

[Sun-Runner]

because powerlevel should move out and find somewhere else where real players are playing.

I would assume that they were real players too. If nothing else, they were real accounts. If Rinsui suspected them of being bots or whatnot, I would suggest reporting them. (You can report in this game, right? ... so many missing features, this one might be missing as well.)

Rinsui's party could have also ignored the request and attempted to compete for the enemies.

I don't care what you say how good you make it sound matter what you say you can't say PL is not broken and not break the game.

That's nice.

[Zenaku]

I would assume that they were real players too. If nothing else, they were real accounts. If Rinsui suspected them of being bots or whatnot, I would suggest reporting them. (You can report in this game, right? ... so many missing features, this one might be missing as well.)

Rinsui's party could have also ignored the request and attempted to compete for the enemies.

That's nice.

I don't know how many time i have to say this yoshi- p said that when a high level kill a high level mob for a low level you wont get much exp so it's broken and over 90+ people agree that pl break a game you could deal with it on other way.

Link account,EXP ring, or even powerlevel in the way of ffxi someone heal you but you still doing the work not someone doing the work for you while you afk all day.

[Mindx3]

because powerlevel should move out and find somewhere else where real players are playing. I don't care what you say how good you make it sound matter what you say you can't say PL is not broken and not break the game.

I was in a party with my ls and our lvl50 gld was killing stuff for us and there was a party killing the same mobs...at first there was competition but then we realised that there was enough mobs for everyone. Am i not considered a real player because im playing with my friends? Am i not considered a real player because i gained 1 whole lvl with a 50 in my group. Let me set this straight for you

Powerleveling is not broken, it does not brake the game, it is simply another option in which to gain exp....pre 1.18 everyone complained that there were no methods of gaining xp except leves...which was completely untrue since u could kill mobs 10 lvls ahead of you for 450-600 and level rather quickly at any level, you could also complete leves for 4.5-5k xp. Now i can grab as many leves as im allowed which is 30 atm...and when my friends arent on i can simply burn through them and level in no time as well. Leveling up does not brake the game...and the current plvl system does not break the game...go try it out yourself...i really doubt that you or your plvl will last more than 2-3 hours and within those lvls...unless your very low lvl and had a mage aoe everything (i still havent tested this but it sounds sweet) your not going to get 10 levels within the hour.

I gave the example earlier in this thread of my PT of 3 fighting raptors there was me a 39con a 31pug and a 50 lnc. It still took time for the lnc to kill the mobs and we could only normally keep chain 4 going. The exp was great but it wasnt anything groundbreaking, i didnt get 50 in a day i didnt get 10 lvls within the 1hour and 30 min that we fought raptors for. In fact as of now i am only 41, very very close to hitting 42 and i only did about 7 leves for the entire level, which only took me about 45 min. Again if 1-50 is possible within the day (and im talking for the avg player) then let me see screens let me see a video of someone completeing 1-50 in a couple hours prove it. Provide evidence that this is completely broken, as i have provided you evidence that it is not. And if it is indeed possible then so be it, this occurance will be very rare for any player i guarantee it, except maybe for bots and rmt's.

Im truly wondering how many MMO's you have played in the past besides FFXI if even that. Most MMO's have a system where you level up quickly, most MMO companys purposely make the grind easy and bareable, so normal players dont say fuck this shit its stupid id rather play instant gratification games like Fighters, FPS etc. Its the reason why WoW completely dominated EQ and FFXI in subs it took me 2 1/2 weeks to complete 1-60 when wow came out...im currently in my 2nd month of ffxiv and i still havent reached cap and im at the point where i want to get 50asap to fight ifrit with my LS and get started on my crafting to replace my dated gear, whats wrong with having a buddy help me accomplish this goal? I could easily grab a PT and get comparable xp, i could easily do leves and get comparable xp. Either way im still going to hit 50...and all your complaining isnt going to stop that.

Now excuse me while i finish more leves and wait untill my friends get on.

[Zenaku]

I was in a party with my ls and our lvl50 gld was killing stuff for us and there was a party killing the same mobs...at first there was competition but then we realised that there was enough mobs for everyone. Am i not considered a real player because im playing with my friends? Am i not considered a real player because i gained 1 whole lvl with a 50 in my group. Let me set this straight for you

Powerleveling is not broken, it does not brake the game, it is simply another option in which to gain exp....pre 1.18 everyone complained that there were no methods of gaining xp except leves...which was completely untrue since u could kill mobs 10 lvls ahead of you for 450-600 and level rather quickly at any level, you could also complete leves for 4.5-5k xp. Now i can grab as many leves as im allowed which is 30 atm...and when my friends arent on i can simply burn through them and level in no time as well. Leveling up does not brake the game...and the current plvl system does not break the game...go try it out yourself...i really doubt that you or your plvl will last more than 2-3 hours and within those lvls...unless your very low lvl and had a mage aoe everything (i still havent tested this but it sounds sweet) your not going to get 10 levels within the hour.

I gave the example earlier in this thread of my PT of 3 fighting raptors there was me a 39con a 31pug and a 50 lnc. It still took time for the lnc to kill the mobs and we could only normally keep chain 4 going. The exp was great but it wasnt anything groundbreaking, i didnt get 50 in a day i didnt get 10 lvls within the 1hour and 30 min that we fought raptors for. In fact as of now i am only 41, very very close to hitting 42 and i only did about 7 leves for the entire level, which only took me about 45 min. Again if 1-50 is possible within the day (and im talking for the avg player) then let me see screens let me see a video of someone completeing 1-50 in a couple hours prove it. Provide evidence that this is completely broken, as i have provided you evidence that it is not. And if it is indeed possible then so be it, this occurance will be very rare for any player i guarantee it, except maybe for bots and rmt's.

Im truly wondering how many MMO's you have played in the past besides FFXI if even that. Most MMO's have a system where you level up quickly, most MMO companys purposely make the grind easy and bareable, so normal players dont say fuck this shit its stupid id rather play instant gratification games like Fighters, FPS etc. Its the reason why WoW completely dominated EQ and FFXI in subs it took me 2 1/2 weeks to complete 1-60 when wow came out...im currently in my 2nd month of ffxiv and i still havent reached cap and im at the point where i want to get 50asap to fight ifrit with my LS and get started on my crafting to replace my dated gear, whats wrong with having a buddy help me accomplish this goal? I could easily grab a PT and get comparable xp, i could easily do leves and get comparable xp. Either way im still going to hit 50...and all your complaining isnt going to stop that.

Now excuse me while i finish more leves and wait untill my friends get on.

Enough to understand it's broken and don't you people even read? how many time i have to say it?

Yoshi-p said that you wont get much exp from a friend killing a higher level mob for you be then again people are getting 300-1k Your friend is helping you gain level and you can just sit there this is how it's broken and RMT and many people would get 50 do the few stuff there is and complain how there noting to do at 50.

For game list? EQ,EQ2,FFXI,WOW,AION,RIFT,RS,The Lord of the Rings online, Should i go on?

[Mindx3]

Enough to understand it's broken and don't you people even read? how many time i have to say it?

Yoshi-p said that you wont get much exp from a friend killing a higher level mob for you be then again people are getting 300-1k Your friend is helping you gain level and you can just sit there this is how it's broken and RMT and many people would get 50 do the few stuff there is and complain how there noting to do at 50.

For game list? EQ,EQ2,FFXI,WOW,AION,RIFT,RS,The Lord of the Rings online, Should i go on?

He did say that, but he also never gave an exact number (i dont believe)...i know iv tested this with a lvl 7lnc, my friend killed a lvl 49 mob and i only got 250+ xp from it.the rediculous numbers people have been posting is most likely for low levels...and thats completely fine as im sure a level cap increase is on the way. As for the player that reported going from 9-27 in 3hours i think that this is great, imagine if they raised the cap to 80....9-27 in 3 hours doesnt sound to bad anymore does it? As it is, its much better than going from 9-15 in 3 hours. Now did this player who achieved 9-27 in 3 hours break the game for you? Is his success so unbearable that this game is broken for you? I know i could care less how fast anyone hits 50. As a general rule the way i see it (and i may be wrong) but in order to get 1k xp chains the mob has to be atleast 15 lvls ahead of you, this means at 30 you will need to fight level 45+ mobs in order to get this xp with a 50 in your group,and at 45+ you will need mobs lvl 60 or so GL powerleveling through those.

[Zenaku]

He did say that, but he also never gave an exact number (i dont believe)...i know iv tested this with a lvl 7lnc, my friend killed a lvl 49 mob and i only got 250+ xp from it.the rediculous numbers people have been posting is most likely for low levels...and thats completely fine as im sure a level cap increase is on the way. As for the player that reported going from 9-27 in 3hours i think that this is great, imagine if they raised the cap to 80....9-27 in 3 hours doesnt sound to bad anymore does it? As it is, its much better than going from 9-15 in 3 hours. Now did this player who achieved 9-27 in 3 hours break the game for you? Is his success so unbearable that this game is broken for you? I know i could care less how fast anyone hits 50. As a general rule the way i see it (and i may be wrong) but in order to get 1k xp chains the mob has to be atleast 15 lvls ahead of you, this means at 30 you will need to fight level 45+ mobs in order to get this xp with a 50 in your group,and at 45+ you will need mobs lvl 60 or so GL powerleveling through those.

Once again it not ok to powerlevel others so they gain max level it breaks the game due to the fact people would complain that there noting to do. If you really think this is ok then we should just get a 50 as we start the game -.-

[Issac]

He did say that, but he also never gave an exact number (i dont believe)...i know iv tested this with a lvl 7lnc, my friend killed a lvl 49 mob and i only got 250+ xp from it.the rediculous numbers people have been posting is most likely for low levels...and thats completely fine as im sure a level cap increase is on the way. As for the player that reported going from 9-27 in 3hours i think that this is great, imagine if they raised the cap to 80....9-27 in 3 hours doesnt sound to bad anymore does it? As it is, its much better than going from 9-15 in 3 hours. Now did this player who achieved 9-27 in 3 hours break the game for you? Is his success so unbearable that this game is broken for you? I know i could care less how fast anyone hits 50. As a general rule the way i see it (and i may be wrong) but in order to get 1k xp chains the mob has to be atleast 15 lvls ahead of you, this means at 30 you will need to fight level 45+ mobs in order to get this xp with a 50 in your group,and at 45+ you will need mobs lvl 60 or so GL powerleveling through those.

Have your friend kill 20 lv25 mobs at once and watch that EXP bar FLY!

It's broken. Stop denying it.

Edit; Let me break it down for you as you were requesting hard numbers before.
Let's assume you got base exp of 100 per kill (lowballing it) for your lv50 friend killing lv30 mobs for you while you're level 10. In this, let's assume he killed 15 mobs at once.

(Second set of numbers is base exp 300, link bonus ends at the 5th mob.)

1st Mob:
100 + 100% LINK BONUS, 200 (300 + 100%, 600)
2nd Mob:
100 + 120% LINK BONUS CHAIN 1, 220 (300 + 120%, 660)
3rd Mob:
100 + 125% LINK CHAIN 2, 225 (300 + 125%, 675)
4th Mob:
100 + 130% LINK CHAIN 3, 230 (300 + 130%, 690)
5th Mob:
100 + 140% LINK CHAIN 4, 240 (300 + 140%, 720)
6th mob:
100 + 150% LINK CHAIN 5, 250 (300 + 50%, 450)
7th mob:
100 + 150% LINK CHAIN 6, 250 (300 + 50%, 450)
8th mob:
100 + 150% LINK CHAIN 7, 250 (300 + 50%, 450)
9th mob:
100 + 150% LINK CHAIN 8, 250 (300 + 50%, 450)
10th mob:
100 + 150% LINK CHAIN 9, 250 (300 + 50%, 450)
11th mob:
100 + 150% LINK CHAIN 10, 250 (300 + 50%, 450)
12th mob:
100 + 150% LINK CHAIN 11, 250 (300 + 50%, 450)
13th mob:
100 + 150% LINK CHAIN 12, 250 (300 + 50%, 450)
14th mob:
100 + 150% LINK CHAIN 13, 250 (300 + 50%, 450)
15th mob:
100 + 150% LINK CHAIN 14, 250 (300 + 50%, 450)

Grand total:
3615XP (7845 XP)

Now, this is assuming all 15 link together, which generally isn't the case. However, the base would probably be closer to 300 in this example, so we would probably add 4000 to that number above. Keep in mind this happens within 2 seconds with one AoE spell. Oh, and let's not forget, repop is much faster now.

This isn't a problem? FU****G REALLY?!

[Mindx3]

Have your friend kill 20 lv25 mobs at once and watch that EXP bar FLY!

It's broken. Stop denying it.

I will and i intend to do so, and when my cnj hits 50 i intend to do the same for him. And when we are both 50 we will help our LS level up as well, and when they are all 50 we will complete content together and have fun while you are still out there grinding away.