Fat Moogle Mount on Mogstation!

[SagaSoluna]

Logic is flawed... So if they added a fight against a random FF character like Cloud, beat him and you get glamour items. The only way to participate is with an item purchased at the mogstation you would say "They're just offering me some extra... for a price" ?

How is the logic flawed.

Without the profits from the Mogstation item, they may never have made the battle against Cloud and thus that content is just extra content for a price.
If there is no profit, there is no optional content.

If tomorrow we woke up and the Mogstation was gone, you may feel like you are getting "the full package" because there is no longer anything behind a paywall.
But truth is, that you are simply missing on all that extra paid content, that now is no longer there.

As a non cash-shopping player, you are getting exactly the same amount of content that you would have gotten if there was no Mogstation.

[SagaSoluna]

This is more like going to an all-you-can-eat buffet (e.g. Hometown buffet). You pay your ~$12 entry, and then they have off to the side this cake that you can only get by purchasing it for an extra $30. Wouldn't sit well with a lot of people

Only this is not an "all you can eat buffet", that´s precisely the problem.
This is an ASSUMPTION that you made upon entering the restaurant, because you saw a table with many different foodstuffs being offered, but nowhere in the contract it says it´s an all you can eat.

[Cwestcott18]

How is the logic flawed.

Without the profits from the Mogstation item, they may never have made the battle against Cloud and thus that content is just extra content for a price.
If there is no profit, there is no optional content.

If tomorrow we woke up and the Mogstation was gone, you may feel like you are getting "the full package" because there is no longer anything behind a paywall.
But truth is, that you are simply missing on all that extra paid content, that now is no longer there.

As a non cash-shopping player, you are getting exactly the same amount of content that you would have gotten if there was no Mogstation.

Exactly, non cash shop players, imo seem to think anything in the mog station is some kind of "missed" content to their play experience, its OPTIONAL, but I guess that word doesn't register to some

[Zigabar]

This is more like going to an all-you-can-eat buffet (e.g. Hometown buffet). You pay your ~$12 entry, and then they have off to the side this cake that you can only get by purchasing it for an extra $30. Wouldn't sit well with a lot of people

Kinda like paying for booze at a buffet? I'm okay with that. I understand that's not included in my purchase, it's an optional item.

[Cakekizyy]

Logic is flawed... So if they added a fight against a random FF character like Cloud, beat him and you get glamour items. The only way to participate is with an item purchased at the mogstation you would say "They're just offering me some extra... for a price" ?

EQ had something similar. Dungeon you could only enter with a key bought with Station Cash.

[Jynx]

SE wants to see how far they can push the players. Slowly but surely they will win the war of atrition.

Why not just add this to your already profitable subscription service? Because people will pay regardless. It's just sad that the player base is responsible for this if we weren't all just willing to bend over and accept these practices we might be enjoying this stuff as added value to our subscription.

I'm unsure how anyone can actually defend this as a consumer.

[Alberel]

Based on what? Says who?
Because as far as i remember, my sub only guarantees my access to the game and the preservation of my character/account data on the servers.

Actually the subscription is meant to go towards funding the development of future content. ArenaNet famously quashed the myth that it goes towards server upkeep costs when they pointed out just how cheap server hardware is to maintain relative to the revenue from subscriptions. People tend to get understandably angry when their subscription is being spent on making things that SE then try to charge us again for.

And just in case you were thinking it, please don't try to pretend the cash shop is funded by the money it makes from other cash shop sales, like it exists in some isolated economic bubble. I see this excuse pop up all the time and it's utterly ridiculous. The devs that make things for the cash shop are the same ones that make stuff for regular content patches. They don't have a dedicated cash shop sweat shop team. That means anything released in the cash shop was made using time and money that would otherwise have gone towards a patch as part of our subscription.

Cash shops in subscription MMOs are not 'optional extras' they're cut content that you can choose to buy back. You're losing value for money on your subscription and then being told to pay more to get it back. If you really don't see the problem with that then you probably just have more money than sense.

[Cwestcott18]

SE wants to see how far they can push the players. Slowly but surely they will win the war of atrition.

Why not just add this to your already profitable subscription service? Because people will pay regardless. It's just sad that the player base is responsible for this if we weren't all just willing to bend over and accept these practices we might be enjoying this stuff as added value to our subscription.

I'm unsure how anyone can actually defend this as a consumer.

They already add content that is meaningful, and this is all optional items, this adds nothing to the gameplay, and if people want a 2 seater mount they can go do the 2000 mentor roulettes or recruitment campaign, don't make this sound like it is something that you cannot get through a particular part of the game without

[odintius]

So when can we start saying the cash shop is the new end game?

[Melorie]

Exactly, non cash shop players, imo seem to think anything in the mog station is some kind of "missed" content to their play experience, its OPTIONAL, but I guess that word doesn't register to some

It's not an "option" to get it on the mogstation when it's exclusive there, it's no like you have OTHER alternative to get the itens, unlike event itens, recolours, creating the race you want at first, choosing your name and choosing your server. I don't see how you cannot understand that people don't find cool paying for a game, paying for a sub, payin for a expansion and then payin for an item if they like it. Wanna pay for it? Doesn't care about it? Great, but is that so surprising that some people do not find this move right? I guess that simples logic doesn't register to you.