Additional penalties for mentors insta-leaving dungeons?

[Watachy]

Then in that case why not use the vote kick option ?
Explaning others that he/she's attitude will damage everyone experience and it better for everyone to get rid of that person beause of his attitude instead of leaving and "punish" the 2 others because of a ***
If said person is really harassing, then it's legit
(again, not saying you are not doing it and rage quit etc, just trying to understand)

Already doing it like my high levels roulettes, the fact is that in these runs i'm apparently "the old fag that can't stop blaming the others" while im just trying to improve their dps or tanking or healing.
Such a pain with the majority of newbies coming now like my daily 60 roulettes.

Yesterday i litterally got hasarassed by a BRD that refused to use minuet cause he doesn't like to cast. I was speechless about it and just vote kicked him.

Just got the feel that people aren't as cool/open minded as they were back when i was part of the newbies.

I think its reasonable, if you have the option between an Ex Primal and a Guildhest.
Plus, Why do People queue 50 EXTREME fights with no knowledge or guide at all, I mean I got Odin these days, it was not only hopeless in case of dodging but we wouldve also reached Zantensuken at like 40%.

Please remove Extreme Primals from the Roulette, or from DF completly, so people just do them unsynced and dont waste others time.
May sound harsh, but in reality, maybe 1 out of 20 Ex Fights dont disband after 5 Wipes. For example, the 40% missing damage at Odin is nothing you can "teach" as mentor. Thats nothing you improve that fast.
Especially if they lack gear. They called "extreme" because they need preparation and strat, its not "lolz ilvl70 gonna do this fast". Mostly even Garuda already wipes at 80% multiple times.

Just play to level 60 and do them with 2 friends. Less time consuming, less stressfull, and its far easier.

That's a good exemple of the pain of being a mentor.
Just leaving the parties with people that refuse to listen to the strat or improve their dps.
I hve to deal with penalties when i'm here to teach people, thanks SE.

[Lambdafish]

Please remove Extreme Primals from the Roulette, or from DF completly, so people just do them unsynced and dont waste others time.
May sound harsh, but in reality, maybe 1 out of 20 Ex Fights dont disband after 5 Wipes. For example, the 40% missing damage at Odin is nothing you can "teach" as mentor. Thats nothing you improve that fast.
Especially if they lack gear. They called "extreme" because they need preparation and strat, its not "lolz ilvl70 gonna do this fast". Mostly even Garuda already wipes at 80% multiple times.
They all disband, its just a matter of time, so why not skip it? Its not like people would listen to a mentor anyway....or speak your language even if you only queued english and german but get french anyway.

Just play to level 60 and do them with 2 friends. Less time consuming, less stressfull, and its far easier.
The people dont leave because they wana bean mean. But most times its useless, like really really useless.

I'm actually the opposite with this, my best mentor experiences have been ex primals. If you are complaining about wipes, then you are mentoring wrong. I had a garuda extreme almost go to time because we wiped so much (6 new people), but I mentored, I told them how to improve and slowly and steadily we got further and further and we got the win, it was refreshing to have that content be endgame challenging again, and it was really fun.

[MeiUshu]

[QUOTE=Watachy;3789340] SNIPQUOTE]

The strenght of a Mentor is to requestion themselves and what they think they know ... just because you say something doesnt mean you know everything, this is also why I am against this system. Some believe that the title gives them all powers. YOu have some but not all.

To be a Mentor requires maturity, a great deal of it and the ability to sanction (not kicking but letting them die) councel, guide, help, advice and direct....not only *I am a MEntor so you scrub should listen to me and shut up...*

Being a Mentor is all BUT easy. I am sooo sad to hear you all say what you say and see how you act facing some people that it makes me Wonder what kind of human beings you are.

I could be a mentor but I dont want to, not the time or energy to devote to it, but when I am in a group where I am in a position to clearly direct I do it, I never tell people not to do something without telling them the reason of why not to do it. Reasons for not doing or doing something hav ea great more impact on people then order them without explanations and unfortunately I see too often Mentors giving orders without explain the reasoning behind it....

Might want to requestion yourselves before pointing the fault automatically towards Mentees, is not always their fault..and learn to listen too..this is not one way just because you have a crown doesnt make you omnipotent.

I am also firmly believing that Mentor roulette should have the *kick option* desactivated*...as too many Mentors kick players for just asking a question that they dont like...yeah it exists and too often alas

[Watachy]

I'm actually the opposite with this, my best mentor experiences have been ex primals. If you are complaining about wipes, then you are mentoring wrong. I had a garuda extreme almost go to time because we wiped so much (6 new people), but I mentored, I told them how to improve and slowly and steadily we got further and further and we got the win, it was refreshing to have that content be endgame challenging again, and it was really fun.

Well, you do have good recruits i would say.
My luck gave my the dumb people that don't wanna listen to me 80% of my roulettes

[Watachy]

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The strenght of a Mentor is to requestion themselves and what they think they know ... just because you say something doesnt mean you know everything, this is also why I am against this system. Some believe that the title gives them all powers. YOu have some but not all.

To be a Mentor requires maturity, a great deal of it and the ability to sanction (not kicking but letting them die) councel, guide, help, advice and direct....not only *I am a MEntor so you scrub should listen to me and shut up...*

Being a Mentor is all BUT easy. I am sooo sad to hear you all say what you say and see how you act facing some people that it makes me Wonder what kind of human beings you are.

The idea to participate in a debate is to read ALL th posts.
I said that i tried my best to teach mechanics, rotations and give advice to new people. If im not abble to do it, then i just don't say anything.
The problem is the newbies that just don't wanna listen to the strat after few wipes or don't wanna improve at all because "it's a game" "let me play how i want"

But yeah i wanted to help people, what an horrible person i am ... !

[Celef]

I dont complain about wipes. People wipe Alexander too. You may have some good experience there, but you cant deny that this are an exception, most of the time its end up like I said, doesnt matter how much effort you put into them. Some dont even wana improve, they want to faceroll ex primals, if they cant they blame others. And thats farely often. What do people expect if they queue for something called "Extreme"? Plushies?

Maybe but at the end, even if it's not a clear, you did your job correctly, you helped them, gave them advices and maybe, just maybe, they will be abble to clear it next time or advise other player thanks to you.
Mentor is not about clearing things imho, it's about giving new players the key to be abble to clear it someday. So yes, you don't get anything if you don't clear it but then again, if it annoyes you (general you) , you (general you) need to ask yourself why you (general you again) became mentor, for the statut ? the rewards ? the ability to help other players ?

But again, this is just my opinion

[Celef]

I bet if they would remove the rewards, about 10% of current mentors would stay mentors.

Would not be a loss imo ^^"

I like to help people who listen. But since its a daylie thing I simply cant afford every day wasting 4 hours that people "maybe" learned something. If it would be a weekly thing okay, but who got the time to do this everyday? Thats insane. You would be playing only for this. Getting nothing else done. Or playing 12h a day.

Well no one's forcing you to do it daily if your not here only for the rewards xD

[Lambdafish]

I dont complain about wipes. People wipe Alexander too. You may have some good experience there, but you cant deny that this are an exception, most of the time its end up like I said, doesnt matter how much effort you put into them. Some dont even wana improve, they want to faceroll ex primals, if they cant they blame others. And thats farely often. What do people expect if they queue for something called "Extreme"? Plushies?

And you got always ppl "dont tell me how to play" <--- did neither dodge nor did barely enough damage, nor care. And they are everything but rare.

I never said that I don't run into dumb people, in fact those are the kinds of people that we WANT to run into, because I'd rather they run into a party with me as opposed to a regular player or a mentor that isn't prepared to mentor. I never said that the extreme primals that I have run are smooth or stress free. I have had to make more use out of waymarks and marking than any other piece of content just so people know exactly where to go. I have had to identify problem players and either focus on them to mentor, or help everyone else work around their ignorance. There are plenty of mentors out there who are not prepared to do that, and as has been said, win or lose, the information helps people improve.

Never said that. I said I like helping people who listen, and I do. But that doesnt mean I dont care about the rewards. And no, I wouldnt do it without any reward.

FYI, the reward is a thank you for mentoring, not a goal to try to reach. That is why the mount is so hard to obtain, because people won't grind for it, and if people enjoy mentoring they will eventually get it.

[LadyVal]

And no, I wouldnt do it without any reward.

Then, imo, you shouldn't be a mentor. If you need more rewards than being broadcast as a source of help, then your mindset does not complement the spirit of the mentor system.

FYI, the reward is a thank you for mentoring, not a goal to try to reach. That is why the mount is so hard to obtain, because people won't grind for it, and if people enjoy mentoring they will eventually get it.

This, exactly. The rewards are designed for people who commit to being a mentor and actively help new players and better the community. The rewards are not designed for fair-weather mentors who do a daily roulette, only put in minimal effort and time, and only run (as in, don't immediately leave and take a penalty) content that is convenient for them. If any mentor's mindset is "Once I get that pegasus I don't ever have to run mentor roulette again," then you probably shouldn't have taken the crown in the first place.

You're probably a very nice person, don't get me wrong. Saying "I like helping people who listen in non-extreme primal content" is something that 99% of other players also like. Mentors are kind of expected to go above and beyond, to a reasonable degree. If you're not willing to make an extra effort to actively help people, especially in challenging content, then that doesn't make you a mentor (despite your crown icon), it makes you just like the majority of other players.

[Lan_Mantear]

Except on rare occasions which, by the way, can also be achieved by asking questions in your existing LS or FC, the mentor system just plain doesn't work.

It's just another way for people to get achievements. If new players are helped along the way that's a bonus, but let's be honest here, 90% of mentors didn't really get that crown with the altruistic intention of mentoring people.

They should just scrap the existing system and come up with a new one with stricter guidelines and less rewards. That way, you'll attract the people who really want to mentor new players, and perhaps the new leafs will get a better experience from it.