"Coming into its own" is too much!

[Deceptistar]

wow... looks like people want the best gear just handed to them in a day or two nowadays.

the hell is wrong w them.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Time isn't actually the problem. TONS of FF14 players found time to play Blade and Soul.... Laziness is the problem

Designing parts of the game for lazy players is fine, but I think designing the WHOLE game for lazy players is a recipe for disaster. How long till we are just sitting in garrisons and letting NPCs play the game for us? Because doing anything except the story is too hardcore, and the new pplz are getting left behind.

Everyone I know who went to play B&S came back cuz that game was lacking lol.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

I think it's been well established that this really isn't about wanting handouts for having less time, but wanting to feel like or know your time is well spent. Which it isn't.

Your time is being used to maintain SE's bottomline; to ensure that people can still freely run Alexander:Gordias, or the Crystal Tower raids, or older/aging content. Your time is being recycled back into what you ran to the point you were sick of it months ago. Your time is no longer being spent raising yourself up to meet new challenges, or even old ones, but instead finding the "easy" routes to gain large numbers of items only relevant to one thing.

The relic is effectively the handout. You just have to dance on the strings and pretend everything's fine and worth your time for it.

[Rhyku]

Or SE could just pull a Perfect World Int and just put everything into mogstation.
Don't want to work for it? Then spill your cash for it! /shudder

I pray we'll never ever see this sort of thing happening.

[kuma_aus]

I consider myself one of the rare cases who just wholeheartedly dislikes the relic, both old and new. If you like it and don't mind the grind, go for it. Get them all, and I'll commend your efforts. If not, set yourself free now and enjoy everything else the game has to offer. . . SE's lucky if I even read one letter of the patch notes that concern relics from now on.

Then why keep complaining about it? If you dislike it, then the relic is obviously not designed for you.

Don't want to grind, don't want to do hard content = Get Lore Weapon.
Don't want to grind, don't want to do hard content and don't want to wait weeks of lockout = Get Augmented Esoterics Weapon.
Don't want to grind, want to do hard content = Get Nidhogg Weapon.
Don't want to grind, want to do very hard content = Get Alexander Weapon.
Don't mind grinding or are fine with slowly working on getting the weapon as you play the game normally = Relic.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

Then why keep complaining about it? If you dislike it, then the relic is obviously not designed for you.

I complain because:

I can.
Someone should.
Apparently they DO listen. (Primal Birds)
I don't mind a sensible grind. (Which this is not)
I actually PREFER to be challenged than handed a lame grind. (Which this is)
Tome weapons once took 3 weeks due to weekly caps, was suddenly increased to 7, oddly timed with the 230 relic step. That's a step in the wrong direction.
SE needs to know that where they had a chance to do better, they didn't.

Do you want a better experience? Speak up. If not, or if you're content with doing this again in 4.0 with even higher numbers or somehow worse requirements, feel free to roll over and accept what you're given. I won't.

[itti18]

Then why keep complaining about it? If you dislike it, then the relic is obviously not designed for you.

Don't want to grind, don't want to do hard content = Get Lore Weapon.
Don't want to grind, don't want to do hard content and don't want to wait weeks of lockout = Get Augmented Esoterics Weapon.
Don't want to grind, want to do hard content = Get Nidhogg Weapon.
Don't want to grind, want to do very hard content = Get Alexander Weapon.
Don't mind grinding or are fine with slowly working on getting the weapon as you play the game normally = Relic.

+1

i actually like the relic grind , always nice to have a hard to achieve goal

[kuma_aus]

I actually PREFER to be challenged than handed a lame grind. (Which this is)

Nidhogg EX would like to say hi. Nice to know you don't like the 210 step in the game. Not everything in the game needs to cater to your likes and dislikes. There are people who hate crafting. Should crafting be changed so that it accommodates these people? There are people who hate tanking. Should tanking be changed to suit these people?

You want a challenge, go do Nidhogg EX. You want an even bigger challenge? With your Nidhogg EX weapon, go do M4S.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

. . .always nice to have a hard to achieve goal

You know, I felt the same way with finally clearing Titan HM and getting my original bow, the Extremes, and with T5, 9, and 13.

Mind you, I know many who both raided and worked on relics, and more power to them. It's fair to say that it's all a matter of perception. Some feel it's worth the time invested. Some don't. Some are even in between or undecided. I've stated my stance on it as well as some of the more easily glossed over details/truths about it, but I definitely want to combat the idea that people who complain simply want it handed to them. They could nerf it all tomorrow and I'd still opt out. So let's please not approach this with the mindset of "Well I like it/don't mind it, so it's fine. You just want things handed to you."

Nidhogg EX would like to say hi. Nice to know you don't like the 210 step in the game. Not everything in the game needs to cater to your likes and dislikes. There are people who hate crafting. Should crafting be changed so that it accommodates these people? There are people who hate tanking. Should tanking be changed to suit these people?

You want a challenge, go do Nidhogg EX. You want an even bigger challenge? With your Nidhogg EX weapon, go do M4S.

Unfortunately, this response is pretty par for the course. "Fine! Go do hard stuff!" Sure! I would absolutely love to. Win or lose, I do feel it's time better spent, and that's just me personally. BUT! Does that mean the 210 step is perfectly fine as is? Or any of it for that matter? No. And I have no issue speaking up about it. Obviously, many will agree and disagree with points made. But are you to tell me that those who have issue with it simply don't deserve to speak up about it because they, by default, "just want things handed to them"? I mean really, is THAT what you're saying?

And please, don't argue points like "Not everything has to cater to you! " I like to raid and PvP. Possibly some of the most unpopular content in the game. Just don't even. Whether it caters to anyone or not, if there are glaring issues with it (and I'm not the only one saying it, believe me), why shouldn't someone speak up about it?

You like the relic quest as it is. Good for you. I don't. I'm not here just to rain on the parade at all. No. I see issues with it, most of all, an example of where SE simply chose to settle for par when they could've done better. If I say nothing, and anyone else who sees it says nothing, that's basically saying "This is fine."

It's not. It never will be.

[kuma_aus]

So let's please not approach this with the mindset of "Well I like it/don't mind it, so it's fine. You just want things handed to you."

That's no better than "I don't like it so it's bad." Your whole argument is that it's a "mindless grind". We get it, you don't like it. Don't do it then. I had fun getting my weapon because I just played the game normally like I did every other day. Did what ever content I wanted to, when I wanted to. I played the game and I enjoyed the game and I got a 210 weapon out of it.

Unfortunately, this response is pretty par for the course. "Fine! Go do hard stuff!" Sure! I would absolutely love to. Win or lose, I do feel it's time better spent, and that's just me personally. BUT! Does that mean the 210 step is perfectly fine as is? Or any of it for that matter? No. And I have no issue speaking up about it. Obviously, many will agree and disagree with points made. But are you to tell me that those who have issue with it simply don't deserve to speak up about it because they, by default, "just want things handed to them"? I mean really, is THAT what you're saying?

What I'm saying is, you don't like X content but like Y content. Why are you trying to change X content to become Y content?

You don't like Relic, but you like Nidhogg EX. But you want to change Relic so it becomes more like Nidhogg EX.

Great you have good points about why you don't like 210 step, so there are alternatives to get weapons other than Relic. Alternatives that address the very issues that you have with the Relic quest. And you just said you enjoy those types of content. Go do them.