Selling clears maybe within the rules of the game - but is it within the spirit?

[MeiUshu]

I am not here to argue clearly your experience and mine differe by alot. Just dont give this advice as that is not a solution ... by far not. Is just a mirage and when it goes leaves behind a bitter souvenir.i am still wanting to read a solution ftom you that would benefit the whole as opposed to the single individual... sad indeef

[Thayos]

What I said is 100 percent true.

There are FCs on every server where you could get the help you need to clear difficult content.

Finding them isn't easy. But if you work at it, you can find them. This is a totally viable and holistic alternative to buying clears.

Also, as I said earlier, I'm not against people who buy clears. I'm just saying that you don't HAVE to buy clears. You can find a better FC where people will help you get those clears. But you have to actually put in the work.

I've walked in your shoes. I've been in bad FCs. The only difference between us is that I didn't settle.

Heck, transfer to Hyperion and join my FC!

[The_NPC]

1st gona say I was "carried" threw T5 about a year ago (they wanted my bonus tomes & it was one of those "go die at start" runs) that said once done I personally refused to go farther till I went back & cleared it, granted this reclear was done unsynced cause that was what the team wanted but at lest this run I was alive the whole time & actually learned.

Now with that said I can see the reasons for both ends of "Suppy & Demand" & can not only envision but have seen the "dark" parts of possibly mentailities for both as well (IE: the Gred for more gil & the Lust for said item outa desire... somehow envisioning that dark smile of lolorito when I see those thoughts). Even if it wasn't wanted at the start someone somewere would be ready to suppy it if it arrived (if being alive as taught me 1 thing is that Humanity has a unique skill for making nice helpful thing's/idea's into tools of malice/hate/death)

wether its "in the sipirt of the game/world" by u'r veiw/definition or not is actually subjective & can differ from person-to-person (as it always will with everything, to someone u deam "evil" u are the villan). I can say I'm not for or against it to me its just there & will always be there if u look for it hard enouf its just up to each person to deside "how" they are gona deal with that they don't like.

[coco1851]

As i said i tried for years i think i speak by experience a large one and this includes server chsnge. Your advice is silly

You really need to get out more! Not every person, server, or fc is out for themselves. I think your looking in all the wrong places to find helpful people or fc's although bare in mind yes any mmo that has a fc/league/guild that has a large number of members are usually the less helpful because they either don't care to help or they become overwhelmed by taking on to much at 1 time. You have an awful lot of excuses to justify something that is wrong.

I'm not trying to toot my horn but if I had the experience in this game I could show you just how nice & helpful some people are, if my fiancé wasn't bored with this game you would thank him to the end of time like so many others have. He used to purposely joins smaller dungeons with people that have the leaf just to help them through, didn't ask for anything other than maybe a thank you in return, I've seen him help many people with there loadouts & rotation to help them get better (more so on other games because of power imbalance makes things difficult), seen him use the rest of his money to buy something for someone in need, I could go on & on.

To answer your 1 question there wouldn't be demand if those sellers would step up & be considerate to others by helping them without charging them. It isn't really supply & demand it's taking advantage of others that need help.

Is your name dick Tracy? :d Because I'm already aware of edit. Sometimes things are just easier.

[Lan_Mantear]

IMO: Buying clears are pointless. You will end up farming any content worth clearing, so unless you have the bankroll to support it, your best bet is to invest the time to learn the mechanics so that you can join the absolutely free clear/farm parties. Because you know, those exist.

[Aryalandi]

IMO: Buying clears are pointless. You will end up farming any content worth clearing, so unless you have the bankroll to support it, your best bet is to invest the time to learn the mechanics so that you can join the absolutely free clear/farm parties. Because you know, those exist.

You know just because you hire on someone to help you clear content doesn't automatically mean that you are hiring someone to carry you, it could be someone repeating something that they have already done, or someone who just badly needs help with something and has the misfortune of not being able to get help but also doesn't want to deal with duty finder.

[Marxam]

Again i'll ask: Whats the difference between paying someone to carry you which you have a problem with and being carried by your friends/FC which you dont have a problem with?

One is purely a transaction while the other is simply to get someone caught up with content. Also the purchaser is often dead while fc members want to keep you alive. To be clear, all content prior to HW is a carry and I'm ok with that since it's boring (with a few exception) and honestly the rewards for doing it sync'd is redundant and pointless.

It current content that I have issues with. I just recently cleared Nidex with my fc and no I wasn't carried nor did I carry others. We all watched vids and took at least 2 hrs every sunday, or when enough ppl were on to clear it after 3 weeks of trying.

I despise clearsellers. and I think it is against the spirit of the game to sell clears. but they are also a product of the endgame environment, from the design of boss fights to the community reaction to them.

This girl gets it ^

[Joe_Schmoe]

Thread: Selling clears

Against, moreso if the FC that's doing the selling has newbie raiders that are warming their bench, not even being given a chance. It's just a cash grab (although admittedly I don't know much about the raid scene in this game. WoW transplant here).

[Lan_Mantear]

You know just because you hire on someone to help you clear content doesn't automatically mean that you are hiring someone to carry you, it could be someone repeating something that they have already done, or someone who just badly needs help with something and has the misfortune of not being able to get help but also doesn't want to deal with duty finder.

I understand that some people may have perfectly valid reasons for doing so. I'm not condemning nor commending the practice. I just find it pointless since there are an over abundance of clear and farm parties around. Sure, there is a bit of luck involved. But when you do the content in PF often enough, you'll run into the same circles over and over again and it'll be like a pseudo-static through Party Finder.

My opinion only: Paying for a clear, specifically when you spend the entirety of the fight dead, is akin to using a cheat code. You get that instant gratification of accomplishing what you wanted, but without any of the lasting feeling of accomplishment you'd get from doing it the normal way. For some people that's perfectly acceptable. That's just not for me.

[Culfinrandir]

I wasn't a big mmo player before this game so I was surprised that players selling themselves is a thing. Somehow I just imagined an idealised community where people gave up their time to help others without asking for payment. I'm not a fan of it, but it doesn't break the game if that's how people like to play it. The only thing that upsets me is people breaking the game with third-party tools to get an unfair advantage of any kind.

Same here, in the online environments I'd previously encountered it just didn't happen as there was enough satisfaction to see someone achieve something that further incentive wasn't needed. Third party "tools" are a horse of a different colour altogether.