3.4 speculation

[PArcher]

Its also good to point out the Domans were unhappy enough with their conquest to revolt...and then face genocide.

There is no justification for that from an empire that is "good". None at all. And Othard isn't a recent conquest either.

[Theodric]

Its also good to point out the Domans were unhappy enough with their conquest to revolt...and then face genocide.

There is no justification for that from an empire that is "good". None at all. And Othard isn't a recent conquest either.

It's perfectly possible that they killed many innocent Garleans and were punished severely as a result. We do not know the full circumstances surrounding the revolt in question; just a biased account from one side in particular. We also know - from Livia's account - that Garleans themselves are no stranger to the horrors of war and strife. She was an orphan after all (despite being a Pureblood) so it would be interesting to learn the circumstances surrounding that.

[PArcher]

It's perfectly possible that they killed many innocent Garleans and were punished severely as a result. We do not know the full circumstances surrounding the revolt in question; just a biased account from one side in particular. We also know - from Livia's account - that Garleans themselves are no stranger to the horrors of war and strife. She was an orphan after all (despite being a Pureblood) so it would be interesting to learn the circumstances surrounding that.

Responding to a revolt with genocide is not justifiable. Period. Slaughtering non-combatants, the sick, elderly, women, children. And then razing the country to the ground, (almost) completely wiping it from the map...yeah. The Garleans are definitely angels. The ninja quests touch on this a good deal as well, from both sides.

The other point about this is the Domans were *not* OK with being under Garlean rule. Even after the years they were under it. Which points to the Garleans not being good stewards to their conquered.

[Slatersev]

It's perfectly possible that they killed many innocent Garleans and were punished severely as a result. We do not know the full circumstances surrounding the revolt in question; just a biased account from one side in particular. We also know - from Livia's account - that Garleans themselves are no stranger to the horrors of war and strife. She was an orphan after all (despite being a Pureblood) so it would be interesting to learn the circumstances surrounding that.

See, this is what I mean, Garleans commit a genocide and your like..

"Maybe it's the Domans fault they were invaded, subjugated, brutalized and then murdered in mass"

Let's say your completely unfounded in anyway by the game theory innocent Garleans somehow were killed during the uprising, that still doesn't justify ANYTHING.

If a couple of American citizens were killed in Iraq by terrorists and we responded bu WIPING OUT THE MIDDLE EAST to the point all that's left of them could fit on a cargo ship we would be rightly seen as genocidal monsters.

I have know doubt will meet more sympathetic Garleans one day but there going to be what you hate Theo, there going to be like Cid and Lucia, (not blinded by patriotism fascists which is what most Garleans actually are) and help us reform it, not suddenly reveal "Oh hey guys Garleans are cool now there genocides were justified"

[VargasVermillion]

I have know doubt will meet more sympathetic Garleans one day but there going to be what you hate Theo, there going to be like Cid and Lucia, (not blinded by patriotism fascists which is what most Garleans actually are) and help us reform it, not suddenly reveal "Oh hey guys Garleans are cool now there genocides were justified"

Need I remind you of a certain general in a FF game who got away with genocide? heheh.

[Theodric]

Need I remind you of a certain general in a FF game who got away with genocide? heheh.

Rufus Shinra in FF7 and the side-story games did some very questionable things and got away with them. He was 'redeemed' and yet never lost much of what made him so interesting as an antagonist.

Kuja and Beatrix of FF9 did some very dubious things throughout FF9 and both of them were redeemed by the end of the game. In fact, Brahne can technically be included - though she actually died.

I assume Beatrix is who you are referring to though.

The mistake people make around these parts is assuming that a character or organisation is thoroughly evil and cannot possibly be redeemed in any way beyond death...when the franchise itself stands in defiance of that. Though it's possible that they simply haven't played any other Final Fantasy games, I suppose.

[Slatersev]

That's not a mistake I'm making at all, Like I said were going to meet sympathetic Garleans, but there going to be what YOU see as traitors, characters like Cid and Lucia, who already exist to show how not all Garleans are bad.

But do you know HOW they showed that? Bu having them actively oppose everything that present Garlemald actually is. Garlemald will be reformed the same way Ishgard was, introducing sympathetic NPC's who want to reform the obviously broken and corrupt part of there Society.

Varis and Regula are not going to be revealed as hero's they'll continue to be shown as what they are, arrogant, delusional, racists who want oh so very badly to be Allag Lite, there going to be used to contrast the bad from the good one's like Cid and Lucia, and then killed to allow reform to take place.

[Theodric]

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Yes, I have little doubt that it will be reformed. I'm not certain that it's something to celebrate though when Ishgard had much of it's grit and unique aspects of its culture removed. Not everybody desires fantasy nations and races to conform to real world flawed socio-political issues. We don't need every nation to be 'nice' and there's absolutely no reason why Varis or Regula couldn't turn out to be unlikely allies. It's not a guarantee, certainly, but I don't think anybody is in a position to say with complete faith what will and will not happen as the story moves forward. Then again I'd like to think that the story isn't going to be completely predictable and 'cookie cutter' where 'good guys' and 'bad guys' are concerned.

[Lauront]

That's not a mistake I'm making at all, Like I said were going to meet sympathetic Garleans, but there going to be what YOU see as traitors, characters like Cid and Lucia, who already exist to show how not all Garleans are bad.

But do you know HOW they showed that? Bu having them actively oppose everything that present Garlemald actually is. Garlemald will be reformed the same way Ishgard was, introducing sympathetic NPC's who want to reform the obviously broken and corrupt part of there Society.

Varis and Regula are not going to be revealed as hero's they'll continue to be shown as what they are, arrogant, delusional, racists who want oh so very badly to be Allag Lite, there going to be used to contrast the bad from the good one's like Cid and Lucia, and then killed to allow reform to take place.

Oh noes, anything but RACISTS!

I can see why fantasy as a genre is swiftly going down the gutter. If Garlemald is to be reformed in such a bland, uninspired way, I'd rather it were destroyed. The default response seems to be to reform anything and everything into some bland form of mob rule, at least if some of the less imaginative, more "morally" exercised parts of the playerbase got their way.

[Tracewood]

So I just managed to beat all of Coil for the first time (played Beta, quit, came back before HW) and wonder if the dev team will think up some special dialogue for our reunion with Alisaie.

If you never touched coil, she'd probably be indifferent otherwise she'd be overjoyed to see your player character again. The game has been good with the small details so I guess we'll see what happens. Speaking of coil, the story was pretty amazing once you get to the second and final coils. Even had voice acting at the end which took me by surprise. I hope Alexander's finale will be interesting, be kind of sad that one of the strongest primals is left to a side story.

I would like to see small hints of new jobs from characters, either new or old. Yugiri was a strong hint at the Ninja/Rouge job/class with her dialogue with Thancred. People are half expecting Iroha (from the seasonal event) to come back as a Samurai since the end CS implies that she is given purpose and is "stuck" here, and perhaps... and this is stretching Alisaie might have a new type of job she's been toiling with since we last saw her but it would go against her summoner roots. She'd make a fantastic Red Mage, taking up a floret in one hand, and a grimore on the off hand. Fans might take issue with a grimore instead of a sheild, but who knows how this will play out.