Players Who Don't pull their weight.

[Ayer2015]

Its not that we want the players to play how we want it. It about that we want the players to play more how its intended by the game (and in the backstage the developers).

Every game has rules. Virtual and real life. When you play together with others (are all that people here so much egoist, to ignore that point entirely?), everyone expect the others will not mess them up. "Play how you want" in football, soccer or whatever else. What do you think will happen to you?

People that don't pull their weight in a virtual team game are the same as people that don't pull their weight in a real life team game: a burden to the other members of the team.

Then create your own teams with like minded people, not expect it from a public grouping tool.

[Saito_S]

Then create your own teams with like minded people, not expect it from a public grouping tool.

That makes zero sense as a response to what Karsten said. It's a "public grouping tool" that pulls from within the FFXIV playerbase, from within a group of people whose common trait is "currently playing FFXIV." And what Karsten and MANY other people in this thread are talking about are BASIC rules. Not "must max deeps at all times and complete the run in under 5 minutes!!!" but just the actual basics.

Think through what they said: ""Play how you want" in football, soccer or whatever else. What do you think will happen to you?" If making a pre-formed group can be analogous to getting your friends together to go play soccer, then using DF would be analogous to a soccer game organized by a third-party, where everyone shows up to play but they don't know each other. Even in the latter scenario, if someone just... stood around half the time, kicked the ball in the wrong direction (and when asked about this, clarified that it isn't because they are totally new to soccer or are suffering from some kind of impairment; they answer with "well whatever, not like we're PRO soccer players so who cares?"), etc...

Obviously, the scenario being "they didn't know each other before they came together to play soccer" wouldn't prevent that person from being called out, asked nicely to play properly, then asked more forcefully to play properly if he refuses, then kicked out.

You would have people standing next to him on our hypothetical soccer field, saying things that mirror almost word for word what people in this thread have said other than changing the wording to fit soccer rather than FFXIV. "Dude, no one is expecting you to be ready for the World Cup tomorrow or anything, but can you not just stand around and intentionally play terribly?"

FFXIV has basic rules just like soccer. "You CAN play however you want" is only a statement of fact. Of physical reality. You CAN walk out onto a soccer field and kick the ball the wrong way. You CAN step up to the plate in a baseball game and just stand there with the bat held in one hand, letting the pitcher strike you out effortlessly without swinging it. You CAN log into FFXIV, join a DF party, and spam heavy thrust over and over and not dodge AOEs cause you just can't be arsed to make any effort. No law of the universe exists that will physically prevent you from doing these things. That doesn't mean it's okay to do so, or that there won't be consequences for doing so.

Walking into DF and intentionally contributing next to nothing or actively making a run more difficult, simply because you're lazy and don't feel like playing to the game's basic standards, is no different and no better than doing the same in any activity played with other people, and shouldn't be defended, let alone encouraged.

[Evumeimei]

Think through what they said: ""Play how you want" in football, soccer or whatever else. What do you think will happen to you?" If making a pre-formed group can be analogous to getting your friends together to go play soccer, then using DF would be analogous to a soccer game organized by a third-party, where everyone shows up to play but they don't know each other. Even in the latter scenario, if someone just... stood around half the time, kicked the ball in the wrong direction (and when asked about this, clarified that it isn't because they are totally new to soccer or are suffering from some kind of impairment; they answer with "well whatever, not like we're PRO soccer players so who cares?"), etc...

This right here is exactly what people have been trying to say.


I don't think most people are expecting perfect performance (would be silly to expect as much from DF, anyways). But, I mean, it's not like any of the basic things in this game are especially hard to learn either. In my experience, anyways.