3.4 Healer Rebalancing Thread

[Llynd]

Well the only buff we could get is dps / mitigation one. Since we Come from a dps class, we have less healing skills in term of number and by that, the only way to align sch with other healers would have to buff these heals a lot so we can match the other two in healing,but sch will still have this superior dps because of that ACN base. To me, the only way to accord scholar role in a group without causing any prob is to orient him dps. Like 50/50. So we would "only" fit the off healer role and there wo't be any jalousy stuff from whm/ast anymore.

[BloodPact]

...So we would "only" fit the off healer role and there wo't be any jalousy stuff from whm/ast anymore.

This is exactly what is happening on the endgame scene right now. The problem is you can turn on Cleric Stance and still get non-nerfed heals out AT THE SAME TIME you DPS because the fairy isn't tied to your character's GCD. And the fact that Scholar's DPS is mostly coming from DoTs makes it even more skewed as you can switch back to healing if needed and not lose the damage that AST or WHM would if they had to.

I love Scholar. I find it SUPER fun, my third favorite job in this game after AST and SMN; but honestly Square Enix made a big mistake having a pet job as a healer.

[Llynd]

This is exactly what is happening on the endgame scene right now. The problem is you can turn on Cleric Stance and still get non-nerfed heals out AT THE SAME TIME you DPS because the fairy isn't tied to your character's GCD. And the fact that Scholar's DPS is mostly coming from DoTs makes it even more skewed as you can switch back to healing if needed and not lose the damage that AST or WHM would if they had to.

I love Scholar. I find it SUPER fun, my third favorite job in this game after AST and SMN; but honestly Square Enix made a big mistake having a pet job as a healer.

Yeah i know it was super risky but now we gotta do with it :/

[Valknut]

AST -Spear needs to be reworked hard core, hell just make spear only good for AST, like it makes your next card triple( Aoe, extended, enhanced) enhanced or something. Put it on a 300 second CD an poof AST now has a perfect utility option, an all its cards are now nice to see in "Draw" or for the love of god just make spear give expanded Royal.

WHM - Needs some damn utility, any at all for god sakes. Make stone skin 2 a 300 second instacast CD an more powerful like 20% or something.

SCH - Needs a better regen, one on or off their pet. Remove most of the dmg it does from dots and move it to broil like WHM/AST. You don't get to go full on DPS and go back to healing without ruining your DPS, that is some BS.

[myahele]

At the very least make Stoneskin 2 available in combat. With its high MP cost, it won't be spammable and needs to be used strategically.

[Rawrz]

AST -Spear needs to be reworked hard core, hell just make spear only good for AST, like it makes your next card triple( Aoe, extended, enhanced) enhanced or something. Put it on a 300 second CD an poof AST now has a perfect utility option, an all its cards are now nice to see in "Draw" or for the love of god just make spear give expanded Royal.

WHM - Needs some damn utility, any at all for god sakes. Make stone skin 2 a 300 second instacast CD an more powerful like 20% or something.

SCH - Needs a better regen, one on or off their pet. Remove most of the dmg it does from dots and move it to broil like WHM/AST. You don't get to go full on DPS and go back to healing without ruining your DPS, that is some BS.

So give AST even more utility, while creating yet more homogeneity between the three healers by giving the class that has a 550 potency AOE heal bomb an instant AOE Adlo and taking away SCH's flexible playstyle. Got it.

[Llynd]

AST -Spear needs to be reworked hard core, hell just make spear only good for AST, like it makes your next card triple( Aoe, extended, enhanced) enhanced or something. Put it on a 300 second CD an poof AST now has a perfect utility option, an all its cards are now nice to see in "Draw" or for the love of god just make spear give expanded Royal.

WHM - Needs some damn utility, any at all for god sakes. Make stone skin 2 a 300 second instacast CD an more powerful like 20% or something.

SCH - Needs a better regen, one on or off their pet. Remove most of the dmg it does from dots and move it to broil like WHM/AST. You don't get to go full on DPS and go back to healing without ruining your DPS, that is some BS.

Sch do not need any more heals !! And you gotta understand that we cannot do anything about his dots since it also affects smn. You Just want all three healers to remain the same ?

[Valknut]

SCH's trying to hide their OPness, as someone who also has SCH at 60. Its never gonna stay the way it is.

Free unlimited healing, while DPSing, DMG that never really falls off, The best of the 3 healer AOE's. The only thing SCH doesn't have is a Cure II equivalent. Doesn't really matter as their sustain through healing and mana are the best of all 3 healers.

There is no homogeneity with 300 second CD's, I guess we should remove Living dead an Holmgang from the game, PLD already has a never die move... Wtf is this logic.

Give SMN a stance that increases the potency of its dots, Boom able to nerf base level potency's of Anarchists dots while preserving SMN.

[Rawrz]

SCH's trying to hide their OPness, as someone who also has SCH at 60. Its never gonna stay the way it is.

Free unlimited healing, while DPSing, DMG that never really falls off, The best of the 3 healer AOE's. The only thing SCH doesn't have is a Cure II equivalent. Doesn't really matter as their sustain through healing and mana are the best of all 3 healers.

There is no homogeneity with 300 second CD's, I guess we should remove Living dead an Holmgang from the game, PLD already has a never die move... Wtf is this logic.

Give SMN a stance that increases the potency of its dots, Boom able to nerf base level potency's of Anarchists dots while preserving SMN.

The homogeneity I was explaining was nerfing SCH to become closer to other healers offensively. Spamming the filler spells of Mal, stone and ruin (broil.)

"Free unlimited healing" that can be cleaved and need to be resummoned.
This "Free unlimited healing" is locked away by our 60 skill. A skill that debilitates its user in order to gain an effect. You don't see that on Divine Seal or Synastry. You can't suddenly not cast a regen.
"Free unlimited healing" that locks half our utility behind a long cast 1700+ MP spell.
Last I checked your regen can't run in to heal and the moment a boss lands, get squashed, and screw you over.

SCH give up Eos, their most powerful healing CD, for the party. As a healer, I WANT EOS. She increases my DPS, but I know that in most content a WHM/AST can carry the healing burden 65-100%. More than their fair share. Therefore it would be selfish of me to the party to use her, when Selene makes our DPS better at their role.

AST is the best healer at utility and support in this game. They will never be able to slot the off heal slot for DPS as well as SCH. WHM makes a better off healer, with Tetra, Benediction, Assize, buffed regens on demand, Asylum and a very powerful DPS toolkit. AST bring WHM MP, have dots that fit PERFECTLY within a Cleric Stance window (450 + 240 + 200... thats more than a SCH can do with their DoTs in the same window), have a subsidized healing toolkit, crazy short term healing bursts (synastry/lightspeed/extended buffed regens) can safely spend time buffing with cards (increasing DPS/EFFECIENCY OUTSIDE of a cleric stance lockout,) which in all makes them more suited to main heal, in just about every scenario. The instant cast Nocturnal Aspected Ben is the only thing that I can see that makes AST function on a good level, but because of how AMAZING the diurnal sect is, you always read about how weak AST is in Nocturnal. Like I said, they could help Time Dilation and Celestial Opposition synergize with the stance more, but that's all AST really deserve.

They buffed the hell out of AST to become ridiculous healers. They lack the DPS utility of SCH, but thats why WHM exist, you know, for balance. <3


Side Note:

Have you been paying attention to HW bosses? Most of them have invulnerability stages. DoTs can't tick during this time and any DoTs that become clipped by it are a DPS loss.

• If Bio can't tick for 15 seconds, its a DPS loss. 6 seconds if you use Energy Drain with its weave time. You need the full amount to reach the DPS of Stone III without Energy Drain.
• If Aero can't tick for 15 seconds, its a DPS loss. 6 seconds if you use Energy Drain with its weave time. You cannot reach the full DPS amount of Stone III without Energy Drain.
• If Bio II can't tick for 15 seconds, its a DPS loss. You need 18 seconds to reach the DPS of Stone III.
• If Miasma can't tick for 15 seconds, its a DPS loss. You need 18 seconds to reach the DPS of Stone III.
• If Shadowflare can't tick for 21 seconds, its a DPS loss. 18 seconds if it was swiftcast onto the battlefield, and 12 seconds if you use Energy Drain with its weave time. You need 24 seconds to reach the DPS of Stone III.
• Every time you cast broil, you are doing 20% less DPS than the WHM's Stone III alone in burst situations. Aero II widens this gap.

The closer it is to these cutoff points, the lower our DPS becomes. The mana efficiency of a DoT based damage kit and our generous forms of MP returns, is what keeps SCH strong.