Do healer need to help doing dps? Especially cleric stance?

[RajaVamberaux]

Nope, I don't get mad over a video game. I guess that's the difference between you and I. Happy 4th! Be safe!

I think we're being trolled.

[Gemina]

There seems to be a bit of a spectrum here. Where on opposing ends we have a group of players that represent a large number and/or loudest speaking of the player base. One end are the 'healzonly' group. On the other we have the 'MUST DPS when running as a healer' group. Somewhere in the middle we have those who understand that the healer role entails keeping HP bars from hitting zero, rezzing those that do, MP management, and DPS during downtime. At least, that is what I have noticed during my time here and my short time playing FFXIV.

Ultimately, there isn't much we can do about players who don't care about other people's time because that is really what it all comes down to no matter how much it is argued back and forth how to be an effective and efficient healer. To make matters worse, those that do care and go out of their way to help others often go by unnoticed, and left to feel unappreciated. Even more sad to know that some of them become those selfish players, and the worst versions of themselves. Reminds me of the Lv 50 quest for Scholars (sorry for small spoiler).

I dunno. I think all I can do is continue to try to make people smile and/or make the instances I participate in as smooth and quick as possible.

[Nestama]

If the tank isn't going to die in the next 10-20 seconds, then I am going to switch into DPS mode (after I give the tank some Regens/Protection). I absolutely hate standing around doing nothing (it's boring and makes me feel like a burden to the group... and I don't main White, Space and Fairy Mage. I'm a Black Mage).

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There seems to be a bit of a spectrum here. Where on opposing ends we have a group of players that represent a large number and/or loudest speaking of the player base. One end are the 'healzonly' group. On the other we have the 'MUST DPS when running as a healer' group. Somewhere in the middle we have those who understand that the healer role entails keeping HP bars from hitting zero, rezzing those that do, MP management, and DPS during downtime. At least, that is what I have noticed during my time here and my short time playing FFXIV.

Except the "you must DPS as a healer" group is also the group that understands everything else the healer role entails, because it's the prerequisite for being able to DPS in the first place. We're also not saying it as "you must DPS", we're saying "to become and be considered a good healer, you must also DPS when possible", because many of the things the healer role entails (especially MP, CD, and GCD management) can really only be mastered when you also embrace maximizing your DPS while performing all these other things. We're also saying that it is extremely disrespectful and rude to the 3 to 23 other people in your group if you are intentionally playing your job at a suboptimal level by refusing to even touch Cleric Stance when there is absolutely nothing else to do.

[Rhyku]

Frankly, I don't think people really care if you dps or not, at least not in my experience on Tonberry, but it's nice if you do because it makes the run faster. I've been a tank and healer both, so I'd really say, if the healer is confident of stance dancing, go for it, because there's really nothing worse than a healer unconfident of stance dancing and mess up, causing a wipe.

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there's really nothing worse than a healer unconfident of stance dancing and mess up, causing a wipe.

I'd rather have a healer who tries and fails, learning something in the process, than one who never even attempts to be better than they currently are. There's nothing worse than a player unwilling to improve.

[Rhyku]

I'd rather have a healer who tries and fails, learning something in the process, than one who never even attempts to be better than they currently are. There's nothing worse than a player unwilling to improve.

Of course. But it's not my place to tell them what to do. If they're not comfortable, I'm not going to raise a stink about it or kick them from the party, rather than to pressure them into doing it and screwing up.

[Alistaire]

Neophyte (Guy in an Other Topic) nailed it by saying:
"If you don't dps in some dungeons/situations and depending on group, you're either overhealing a lot (bad healeing usually) or only using 30% or less of the battle time a global CD (bad playing)."

Don't forget the part where there's not a single boss that requires any healing at all as the tank pulls. Healers should start in cleric stance and be casting a dot as tank pulls. There really are no exceptions to this.

[Gemina]

Except the "you must DPS as a healer" group is also the group that understands everything else the healer role entails, because it's the prerequisite for being able to DPS in the first place. We're also not saying it as "you must DPS", we're saying "to become and be considered a good healer, you must also DPS when possible", because many of the things the healer role entails (especially MP, CD, and GCD management) can really only be mastered when you also embrace maximizing your DPS while performing all these other things. We're also saying that it is extremely disrespectful and rude to the 3 to 23 other people in your group if you are intentionally playing your job at a suboptimal level by refusing to even touch Cleric Stance when there is absolutely nothing else to do.

What you describe is what I consider to be the middle guys. The group I refer to completely leave out the part where you say, "when possible". They are DPS players in healer's clothing. When I run as co-healer or DPS, I never expect the healer to DPS because I know it isn't needed to clear the instance. Nor am I going to think they are a crappy healer if they never touch cleric. However, I will consider them a courteous healer if they pop into cleric and contribute to the damage. A good healer in my eyes understands that DPS contribution minimizes overall healing needed, and reduces the runtime. Those are the key words they understand, not maximize.

There is a big difference between a healer who is not comfortable stance dancing, and those who refuse to DPS. It's the latter that doesn't care about other people's time, but both get shunned all the same.

[Arti_lalanen]

This thread already got a lot of answer, but here's mine.

I'm kinda new in the game, but since the begining, I spend as much time as possible in cleric stance to DPS.
If I dont, the fights will be boring.

There is only a few figts where I spent less time DPSing (I just now, when the boss do some dodgeable aoe, I can do in DPS for a few second, like in Niddhog)

I think, more I go in difficults fight, less I'll DPS (I'll still DPS, but in shorts windows)

I DPS I little more then tanks, but less then real DPS, in "easy" dongeon/raids (like the 1st raid lvl 60, we overgear it, we take so few dmg, not a lot of healing needed)

I find that interresting, healing is really cool, never did before but I think I've got used to it. We can play different depending of the situatioon, sometime heal, sometime dps, sometime raising, sometime preventing dmg that you know it's coming, much better then a DPS role, where you just need to do your DPS rotation. If you want something interresting to play I recommand you to try the healers.