Are the DPS checks for Nidhogg EX excessive?

[UnstablePersonality]

DPS checks for Nid EX are perfectly fine.

The DPS on NA servers on the other hand seem to be getting worse and worse though. In half the parties some healers and tanks that are only around Ilvl225 are outdmging DPS by 1-2 hundred now days in fights. This should never happen. People just need to learn the rotation or they need to simple fail all the content. Doing rotations is not hard.
But people need to learn if you are ILVL 220 + and are only getting to 66% on the Nid EX practice dummy... you probably really really suck at your job and should fix it.

One simple fix would be to require people to do the dummy, can't kill it can't que up for the fight. Would stop the people who are clueless on their jobs from wasting 7 others ppls time in party finder and would make actually joining a learning party for a newer person not a utter waste of time.

I disagree with that last statement, what about those who say fail at 1% for example, your idea would lock them out too, remember SSS does not take into consideration class benefits from either buffs or whatever else, plus mechanics, it truly is not the best way to decide who gets in and who doesn't. Just saying. Also I don't mean this for Nidhogg alone, I mean it for anything, using SSS for an example is not the best way to go about it as it's not accurate.

[Sicno]

"Excessive"? Are you kidding me? The only reasons why you wouldn't be able to pass them are if people died or the dps are really REALLY bad.

[FoxyAreku]

I disagree with that last statement, what about those who say fail at 1% for example, your idea would lock them out too, remember SSS does not take into consideration class benefits from either buffs or whatever else, plus mechanics, it truly is not the best way to decide who gets in and who doesn't. Just saying. Also I don't mean this for Nidhogg alone, I mean it for anything, using SSS for an example is not the best way to go about it as it's not accurate.

SSS doesn't take food and potions into account for the sake of doing it-but this only means they aren't required to be used to get an accurate reading, using those buffs still helps you on the dummy. If you're not clearing a dummy at 1% then you still shouldn't be able to do the fight as a DPS, as 1% can easily be made up by using a potion, or getting a slightly better piece of gear.

Or hell just melding on a determination IV, so many things you can do to make up for 1% that it's not even worth bringing up.

[JammerSidewinder]

The day these trials are balanced by the devs to allow a team of bottom of the barrel to get through it with 500 dps in 230 gear and 3+ deaths, may be the day I actually stop playing this game.

[Vele]

the biggest problems I have seen there is healers refusing to stoneskin the blue stack point player

And why should we? They're not going to die unless they're low on health. If you believe the fang doesn't get healed when a blue tethered person receives no damage from a hit, or the hp the fang recovers is proportional to the damage taken, then you are incorrect. I crit adlo's the eye of the tyrant target because I thought that too... they took 0 damage, they still had galvanize even, but the fang still recovered a set % of hp. It's healed whenever a blue tethered person takes a hit, not when they take damage.

[UnstablePersonality]

SSS doesn't take food and potions into account for the sake of doing it-but this only means they aren't required to be used to get an accurate reading, using those buffs still helps you on the dummy. If you're not clearing a dummy at 1% then you still shouldn't be able to do the fight as a DPS, as 1% can easily be made up by using a potion, or getting a slightly better piece of gear.

Or hell just melding on a determination IV, so many things you can do to make up for 1% that it's not even worth bringing up.

I've seen a few all the same that came close that could still make it up but couldn't at the time, I just don't feel locking them out of the trail because they couldn't clear it no matter what no matter how close they got is the proper way to handle it, they may not clear the dummy but once they get into a party and practice it things may change.

[Normalizer]

TBF that sounds more like when they get to a party with other player who has much higher ilvl or with very good tank/healer who dps a lot they might get a clear because the other players can somehow provide the missing dps. Ofc not saying they didnt work for it, but if you put all ppl who are at ilvl 220 and barely manage SSS, they might be able to clear the fight, but damn that gonna be hard and take a lot of tears and sweat and repair cost Good thing is being able to clear a fight when all party is at entry ilvl means you pretty much learnt the fight xD

[Yukiko]

Some seem to forget the boss or monster having limited lifepoints!
If one member doing awesome DPS then one other can NOT do high DPS because the monster is already dead or skipping phase or whatever...
If all doing 1k in savage its the "norm" but when you have one doing 1500 then there must be an other just doing 500... you get the idea?
There can be a lot reasons for "one" to do more damage than others (AST buff as example) but i recently seeing that happen a lot, special if ilvl 240 players are pairing in dungeons with ilvl 220 players...

I just like to say: the so called "weak" or (as you like to call them: afk) player, may do all right and still cant compare because the other one have taken some of his damage...
One Example from experience: BLM casting while MNK is killing the target before cast finished -> MNK getting all the honour for DPS and BLM is kicked for being lazy...
(Sidenote: I know some who said they do it on purpose and have fun when BLM could not cast, gives them an edge of thrill)

[Normalizer]

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Your post is kinda funny though. Beside missing 1 spell won't bring a BLM dps from 1000 to 500 :P Any BLM know how to play it will either change target first, or use instant cast. So a weak/lazy DPS will still be a weak/lazy DPS even if all other dps doing nothing let them kill the add alone :P

Also why it's partially true that 1 very high dps can affect other dps, it will only happens if the monster is nearly one-hitted or the phase change happened too quick that it screw up the "normal" rotation, this, can mostly happen in unsync content only.

[KarstenS]

If all doing 1k in savage its the "norm" but when you have one doing 1500 then there must be an other just doing 500... you get the idea?

Uhm. No. They can do both 1500 and the mob dies faster.

When one is doing more, the other "can" do less. but thats not a "must".

this, can mostly happen in unsync content only.

Its also happening in current content. With the current gear we get more and more in trouble to get cooldowns ready for some DPS checks in Midas savage and have to reorganize our strategy.