A proposed solution for having players become better players.

[Zari]

(Stuff about the calculations).

It would actually probably be very difficult to do properly for healers. For example, in OW's new ranked mode, personal performance is a big part of going up in rank, but only 6 support players are in the top 100 players at all. This is partially because of how broken the calculations are in favor of dps and even tank classes. If the team is doing very well, tanks and dps will still be doing their job well. At the same time, though, the support will have less to heal and still usually cannot do enough damage to properly make up for it. In the "professional" teams all the players generally end up around similar ranks, except the support, who end up 10 whole ranks behind because of it.

It is a completely different game, yes, but it is a similar type of performance calculation system as provided by the OP and if the result of the OW one on healers is anything to go by, this could go poorly for healers as well.

[Zari]

What do you mean exactly when you say "put myself above" those people? I think I understand but wanted to clarify.

I think he is saying he doesnt like when people dont play their job to its fullest (such as not using CDs as a tank or not adding dps as a healer), and then act like they are better than the rest of their party who are (if they are). Its fine to not use the CDs and not healer dps as long as one doesnt think themselves better at the game than others who do

[Mattelot]

I don't DPS as a healer and I never toot my own horn (no, my sig is not an example, it's an example of how judgmental people are). I'm just here to play a video game and have fun. Before I ever came to these forums, that's all I saw... was the sugar-coated world of people enjoying themselves. It took coming to these forums to see how nasty so many people are.

[Lambdafish]

What do you mean exactly when you say "put myself above" those people? I think I understand but wanted to clarify.

It's a warning rather than a criticism, as I don't know that you do this. It applies mainly to DPS, but I have seen DPS who say "I play how I want," and the result it that they pull poor DPS numbers meaning that the poor other DPS has to make up the numbers, while the offending DPS sits there acting like they are royalty. You are right that healer DPS isn't required, but there is also no reason not to, especially if you are a SCH.

There is also one thing that worries me, is the trend of dumbing down content to cater to this, the devs have designed the jobs in particular ways, meaning there is a right and wrong way to play (spamming blizzard is not the right way to BLM as an example), and when people ignore that, the devs have to design content to cater to that lower denominator (look at the backlash to Nidhogg nm and weeping city, two pieces of content that are not particularly difficult), it's a worrying trend that is becoming more and more acceptable.

Again, not a criticism, just a warning as to the consequences.

[Eldevern]

A problem I see, thinking about it, is gear synchronization between a beginner and a HL overstuff.

An example : you can finish Sastasha (nm) with the healer almost main tank, the beginner afk and the dps/tank trolling (dpsing a little anyway )if they are over-geared too (I mean 3HL, one beginner, to make things more clear ).

In low level dungeon, it is not a problem, harsh synchronisation can oblige people to play more seriously but... coming to HL content, people who like to rush and fast run thanks to this synchronization will not have a real rush anymore. Not sure it is something you wish as side effect.

The possibility to do solo dungeon or the deep dungeon, from my point of view were supposed to help people to train and upgrade their skill, I come to think people are just doing such dungeon when they want some glamour, just for fun and... are the same who need training the less. To have the possibility to do again class leveling quest would be interesting but... the same who need the less will do to improve, the others will not even try, "they already know".

How unfortunate, the only fair and real way, but some players will fly away and SE wants to keep them, is slower levelling.

I've played on Aion and such debate already existed and HL players feeling unfortunate to meet such bad players too (it was even worst on Aion because of PVP and faction trolls).

[Seraphix2407]

Translation: This person has a different opinion than mine so they must be a troll!

You really need to take off your tin foil hat. If you want to "solve problems" as you put it, offer suggestions instead of always being so negative towards anyone who doesn't think like you do.

They never replied to my questions when I was being serious. In every single thread I asked them, they ran away with the tail betwen their legs, because they couldn't reply to the question. It must be hard to reply a simple question, when they are in denial. You just need to stop making up things, like in other threads you do to other people like myself. How boring.

I don't DPS as a healer and I never toot my own horn (

You don't need to heal as a DPS, that's fine. We all know those who try really hard are called anwyays, doubt you want people to call you the same.

[Frederick22]

Dont bother talking to Mattelot guys. He will always be on denial with everyone and wont stop. Just read the orther threads where he discuss agresible with orthers.

[LaylaTsarra]

Dont bother talking to Mattelot guys. He will always be on denial with everyone and wont stop. Just read the orther threads where he discuss agresible with orthers.

So you're trying to blacklist people who disagree with you. Really. He's entitled to an opinion and it's shared by many here. This is a discussion forum the last time I checked.

[Seraphix2407]

So you're trying to blacklist people who disagree with you. Really. He's entitled to an opinion and it's shared by many here.

It's not that he disagree with others but the fact he make up things people said. He said in the other thread I offended him but in the end it was another person who did, did he say sorry to me? Nope, instead he start insulting and making up another lie.

[Lambdafish]

Dont bother talking to Mattelot guys. He will always be on denial with everyone and wont stop. Just read the orther threads where he discuss agresible with orthers.

Which is sad, because if these kinds of players actually asked how to improve, and instead made the argument that they didn't know how to or were struggling to play their job to it's fullest, the community would rush to their aid to help them. There are so many guides, and people putting content out there to help people improve, that it is very easy to get the information if you ask for it, in fact, I think the entire NA mentality is built on the back of guides lol.