Message from actual new player

[Betelgeuzah]

So before any new player can enjoy the game they have to level crafting? That makes sense...

Until the economy picks up, most likely.

That may be unreasonable, but devs can't just snap their fingers and everything falls into place when it comes to [this feature].

You're just coming off as an arrogant prick doling out shitty advice at this point

So let's keep spreading misconceptions then? You're smart.

If my advice was shitty, everyone would be aware of these things already. Instead we have people crying they can't level when it has never been easier.

[Kiroh]

So let's keep spreading misconceptions then? You're smart.

"There's nothing wrong with low levels because I said so, because I didn't have any problems with them."

No, let's just keep ignoring everyone else and create a game for Betelgeuzah to play, because he's enjoying it and so should everyone else who doesn't.

[Betelgeuzah]

"There's nothing wrong with low levels because I said so, because I didn't have any problems with them."

While you keep telling me to be productive and relevant, at the same time you ignore everything I say.

Instead, one could draw attention to the real problems of low level experience, for example, lack of tutorial explaining how the Marketplace and Retainers function, the now-useless level 1 leves drawing attention away from the actual mechanics of leveling post-1.19 and the currently short supply of low level equipment, even though it is both easy and cheap to make due to the changes. Although most of these issues are a part of learning the game mechanics and not part of the actual game mechanics (which are fine, as demonstrated above).

In other words "there's nothing wrong" amirite?

Everyone who plays the game right shouldn't have problems at all. In the meantime, those who play wrong will face issues. Yes, I think we should ignore those who play the game wrong, aside from offering advice which they then choose to ignore.

[TunaTime]

If they tested the content before releasing it they could have dealt with these sort of things.

I general I pro-patch 1.19. I just don't like that the early levels scare away new players. I don't mind that going from level 1 - 10 can be done in a couple of hours. New players needs to be properly introduced to how the game works or most of them won't play the game. With the upcoming PS2 release SE needs to able to keep new players playing the game or the PS3 release will fail together with the entire game.

[Biggs]

If they tested the content before releasing it they could have dealt with these sort of things.

I general I pro-patch 1.19. I just don't like that the early levels scare away new players. I don't mind that going from level 1 - 10 can be done in a couple of hours. New players needs to be properly introduced to how the game works or most of them won't play the game. With the upcoming PS2 release SE needs to able to keep new players playing the game or the PS3 release will fail together with the entire game.

Broken record time: SE isn't curently making any attempt to encourage new players right now. The only people that are worried about this are current players who seem to think this shit is gonna fly off the shelf any day now. Yoshi just said that this patch represents 50% of the content they plan to bring in to get this game up to speed. When they start charging and no ones joining, use THAT time to become concerned. Until then, let SE worry about this games population since thats what they want to be paid to do.

[Blarp]

Broken record time: SE isn't curently making any attempt to encourage new players right now. The only people that are worried about this are current players who seem to think this shit is gonna fly off the shelf any day now. Yoshi just said that this patch represents 50% of the content they plan to bring in to get this game up to speed. When they start charging and no ones joining, use THAT time to become concerned. Until then, let SE worry about this games population since thats what they want to be paid to do.

You really have no idea what SE is trying to do because you're not a part of SE. When they start charging, nobody new is going to join. Come back maybe, but I seriously doubt this game is going to have a huge influx of new players... ever. They sealed that deal with launch.

[Biggs]

You really have no idea what SE is trying to do because you're not a part of SE. When they start charging, nobody new is going to join. Come back maybe, but I seriously doubt this game is going to have a huge influx of new players... ever. They sealed that deal with launch.

So you are aware that the vast majority of people that play Square Enix titles are console players yes? And that a very hearty percentage od FFXI players were ps2 and xbox users? You think they honestly made this game for PC players? Really?! Sounds like your really the one that doesn't actually have any idea. I am not saying that I am positive this things gonna fly off the shelves when it drops on ps3 but, I am willing to bet they make more money on the ps3 version (if it ever happens) than they ever did last year when the PC version dropped and flopped. And for a game that you think sucks so bad, you sure do post a lot about it.

[Blarp]

So you are aware that the vast majority of people that play Square Enix titles are console players yes? And that a very hearty percentage od FFXI players were ps2 and xobox users? You think they honestly made this game for computer players? Really?! Sounds like your really the one that doesn't actually have any idea. I am not saying that I am positive this things gonna fly off the shelves when it drops on ps3 but, I am willing to bet they make more money on the ps3 version (if it ever happens) than they ever did last year when the PC version dropped and flopped. And for a game that seems to have failed so bad, you sure do post a lot about it.

You do know that the majority of the MMO demographic play MMO's on PC's, yes? The fact is that they released this game for PC first, which more or less invalidates your point. If they developed the game for PC then they were going after the PC demographic.

This game sold over 600,000 PC copies. Do you think it will come anywhere near that amount for PS3? I'm not Nostradamus, but I feel pretty safe saying that the PS3 launch won't see 600,000 copies sell. Yes, I do post a good bit, but that doesn't mean I hate the game. Frankly, you should address the argument in the post instead of the poster, but hey, to each his own. By all objective measurements, this game did fail a year ago. I came back after a year to see how they're doing. It's bearable to play now, and I plan to play, but that doesn't mean I'm going to keep quiet about all the problems I have with the game.

[Biggs]

You do know that the majority of the MMO demographic play MMO's on PC's, yes? The fact is that they released this game for PC first, which more or less invalidates your point. If they developed the game for PC then they were going after the PC demographic.

This game sold over 600,000 PC copies. Do you think it will come anywhere near that amount for PS3? I'm not Nostradamus, but I feel pretty safe saying that the PS3 launch won't see 600,000 copies sell. Yes, I do post a good bit, but that doesn't mean I hate the game. Frankly, you should address the argument in the post instead of the poster, but hey, to each his own. By all objective measurements, this game did fail a year ago. I came back after a year to see how they're doing. It's bearable to play now, and I plan to play, but that doesn't mean I'm going to keep quiet about all the problems I have with the game.

No, your definitly not Nostradamus, cause I am pretty sure that guy could read. You said in your first response to me that no one is going to play this once they start charging. You then turn around and say that you stopped playing for year but came back to try it out. So if your willing to do so, you don't think others are as well? I think this last patch was a significant improvement to the game as a whole and that, given a few more patches like it, this game could easily be turned around. The fact remains, SE has made 2 MMO's now that include both PC and Console players playing together, something that very few (if any) MMO producers try to do. This would indicate to me at least that they see BOTH demographics as equal scources of income. And a good indication that SE isn't trying to encourage new players would be the total lack of advertising as well as the producer saying, multiple times I might add, that the game is still in the process of being redeveloped. And yes actually, I do think this could sell as many copies if not more than the PC version did. I talk to players and see posts all the time about people still waiting for this to hit the Ps3 so they can play with their friends. Time will tell I guess, but just because I don't work for SE doesn't mean I can't deduce from blatant evidence what their current intention is.

Edit: And when I say advertising, I mean internet adds. I certainly don't have any delusion about this suddenly blowing up all over TV.