Healer DPS metagame for non savage content is getting old

[ErryK]

Those ideas are great and all, you guys can have your "PvE immersion", but if it does get implemented, it should be optional. If I want to DPS, I should be able to...

But i refuse to DPS as a healer in FF14

The game literally tells you to DPS as a healer when everything is fine and no one is in need of healing. You would do well to perhaps pay a visit to the Hall of the Novice.

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You mentioned healers being 'obsessed' with accuracy, and that it's an issue on the same level as tanks taking and using slaying accessories. There is a HUGE difference in this case, and I've mentioned it to you, and you acknowledge it yourself, so why are you making it up to be a huge issue like the tank issue when it isn't? SE allowed us to customize our gear with accuracy, if an individual decides to meld accuracy, what business is it of yours if they are melding accuracy and are capable of knowing when to DPS and when not to? I really do not get the hubbub of it all.

[Destous]

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How many times do a I need to say "stat weights" before you get my point?

Tanks using slaying gear was a twofold boost to their effectiveness in a group. It was extra DPS which directly translates to extra enmity, which means less threat rotation and more damage rotations, so it further enhanced tank DPS. To fix this, SE changed Vit to shift tanking stat weights AWAY from Str.

What we're seeing with healers is they're melding Accuracy for the sole purpose of boosting their DPS. It so happens that this comes at little to no detriment to their ability to heal endgame. So the stat weight for healers has shifted to prioritize Accuracy first, to the hitcap, which is exactly the same stat weight as every DPS role. It's not a matter of a lack of other options either. Both Det and Spellspeed increase a healers ability to heal and to DPS; yet they're weighted lower than Accuracy, and stat which only boosts DPS.

[ErryK]

How many times do a I need to say "stat weights" before you get my point?

You have NEVER mentioned stat weights, AT ALL, when talking to me. While Accuracy might be weighted higher, it's purely because those people have chosen a mindset of making sure their attacks land, in Savage raids... they hadn't melded accuracy just so they can DPS in dungeons. Dungeon accuracy is so low, it may as well not be a thing, so if healers are melding accuracy for that one specific thing, then that's because they're misinformed and have wasted gil. But I have never, ever experienced people nagging me in dungeons to DPS. I DPS myself because I'm confident in my own skills.

[Destous]

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I've been talking about stat weights since the first post.

You have this annoying habit of describing the current meta as if I don't know it. I know what it is; that's why I'm saying SE needs to change it. The issue isn't the healers are doing DPS; the issue is that healer's doing DPS is so valuable that their secondary stat priority matches the ranged casters. SE could bake a hit cap into Cleric Stance and fix the issue overnight without affecting how healers manage their DPS in groups.

[ErryK]

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And you've been ignoring my question of why is this such a bother to you? Are you running a market on accuracy materia and can't meet demand?

[Alistaire]

And you've been ignoring my question of why is this such a bother to you? Are you running a market on accuracy materia and can't meet demand?

They've been ignoring a lot more than that. To the point where it's not worth replying anymore.

[ErryK]

They've been ignoring a lot more than that. To the point where it's not worth replying anymore.

Yeah... I'm starting to see why you stopped bothering. :/

[Destous]

And you've been ignoring my question of why is this such a bother to you? Are you running a market on accuracy materia and can't meet demand?

Dial down the angst a bit. It's not a bother to me. The point was to discuss the stat weights of healers and that they've shifted to far towards a DPS focus. My argument of healers focusing on accuracy, a purely offensive stat, for savage content is a good reason to suggest the stat weights are changed to reflect the purpose of the role.

No one is saying healers shouldn't do DPS.
No one is saying healers shouldn't currently meld accuracy.
No one is saying any healer reading this thread should go out and pull all the accuracy out of the materia sockets just to make a statement.

The point is discussing the stat weights of healers; and if you chime in with irrelevant jabs like "why is it such a bother to you" then yes, I'm going to ignore it.

Healers should take a 30% HPS/DPS cut and have their stats "rebalanced"? That's literally what SE did to tanks to "stop" the tank DPS meta, and it didn't really even do that (because you still need tank DPS, it's just worse now).

The hitcap should be baked into Cleric Stance, and healers shouldn't fumble around with accuracy.

[ErryK]

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Then why was that not what I got from your original post? And if they intend to balance accuracy the way you want them to (via altering Cleric Stance) then in that case, they may as well do that for tanks as well (100% accuracy in tank stance, dependent on accuracy stat in DPS stance), or instead, get rid of accuracy altogether and bring in new stats such as +5% heal potency if your mind is larger than x amount, or +10% attack speed if your spell speed is below x amount. If accuracy persists to remain a stat (entirely), then accuracy will remain within the meta. Nerfing accuracy altogether by affecting Cleric Stance is just a low blow in my opinion, and a cheap way of fixing this issue (even if it is a non-issue to some...).