Players Who Don't pull their weight.

[Mattelot]

Seraphix, did you not say you actually wrote my name down for reference because I don't play how you think I should? Don't try backpedaling.

Archaeil, I don't fully agree but that's based on my observations. I've been in a bunch of threads where Elitists grasp at straws or resort to ad hominem in order to make themselves seem superior and try to pretend they're doing for the persons own good.

[Seraphix2407]

Seraphix, did you not say you actually wrote my name down for reference because I don't play how you think I should? Don't try backpedaling.

Archaeil, I don't fully agree but that's based on my observations. I've been in a bunch of threads where Elitists grasp at straws or resort to ad hominem in order to make themselves seem superior and try to pretend they're doing for the persons own good.

No i didn't say anything to you, what you on about? Edit, that was someone else, so please stop putting words in my mouth , you just made yourself look even worse in front of everyone, stop with lies.

You think I'm joking but I've made a note of your name. Made a mnemonic even. "Mattelot not dps a lot" so it's easy to remember.

Yeah, like I said earlier about you, toxic. Spreading lies and then trying to make me look shit. Good job sir. First making up things then saying lies, how worse can it be really? No wonder I give up on these forum sometimes, when people like you make up things.

So the next time you call someone an "idiot", "stupid" or any other ridiculous label while you're "trying to help them improve" and wonder why they don't listen to you, think about it.

Before you make up things and then tell me things I've never told you. No wonder I can't take you serious anymore. Look at what you wrote.

Edit: I've been in threads where people like ''you'' make up things, like just now, which is extremely toxic. Second, trying to make me look bad but you just made yourself look bad, nah I'm done with you. Just another person I could actually discuss with but end up stopping, because you make up things.

[Archaell]

I have been called an elitist for asking a bard "Is there any reason why you don't use the Wanderer's Minuet?" The word "elitist" is more often used incorrectly than correctly.

In most of my groups players rather disband rather than risk insulting someone for their performance, so I am more concerned with the players wanting to be carried and causing the disbands rather than true elitists who usually play with their static groups.

[RiceisNice]

I have been called an elitist for asking a bard "Is there any reason why you don't use the Wanderer's Minuet?" The word "elitist" is more often used incorrectly than correctly.

In most of my groups players rather disband rather than risk insulting someone for their performance, so I am more concerned with the players wanting to be carried and causing the disbands rather than true elitists who usually play with their static groups.

"Elitist" and "punished" seem to be two of the most incorrectly used terms on this game. Even WoW wasn't as bad in regards to players purposely underperforming (if only because addons allowed players to have a form of dps meter to measure, as well as mechanics that get progressively harder to the point of unclearable if dps isn't up to snuff). FFXIV is missing both, but more importantly the latter; there's nothing holding dps accountable for in solo instances, dungeon play and MSQ trials so it more or less has to be a collective issue for a failure (Steps was posibly the only aversion to this, but that's it's own discussion)

DF is part of the game, everyone is entitled to use it...

And you want to shut people out that don't preform well enough for your standarts? Well, by my standart you should be labelled as utter trash if you don't:

Seriously, stop taking yourself so god damn serious. This is a game. If you can not handle people taking a game less serious than you, don't play or surround yourself with likeminded people.

Satire or not, this is exactly what I'm talking about; for some reason people just lose every sense of reasonable judgement and go to the extreme end of one side. No one (and I sincerely doubt anyone is) should be expecting people to play to the absolute maximum (especially when you yourself are not doing so, but i digress). What most of us want is that for everyone to play with consideration that they're partied with 3/7/23 other players and not perform less than if they were spamming a 150 potency skill over and over (because by that point, you're not auto attacking and you're not using weaponskills half the time, or missing the bare foundation of your class).

Archaell, I guess it depends on the sitiation. I am not saying you did but hypothetically, someone says "all I did was ask the guy..." But they leave out where they were nasty about it or added something that was condescending. How you ask or say something makes a big difference.

Elitists still exist and are trying to be smarter in hiding it by sprinkling sugar on themselves.

Likewise on the other end, people who are giving you advice or telling you how to play is not necessarily being elitist or even condescending; at worst they just don't want you to waste theirs (and possibly the party's), especially if it's reoccuring over and over and there might really be a problem on your end because you might not fully understand how astral/umbral works and still use tranpose, or spam fire III for dps. If you always assume the worst out of everyone when they try to say something or give their perspective, that's entirely a problem on your end.

[Mattelot]

Archaell, I guess it depends on the sitiation. I am not saying you did but hypothetically, someone says "all I did was ask the guy..." But they leave out where they were nasty about it or added something that was condescending. How you ask or say something makes a big difference.

Elitists still exist and are trying to be smarter in hiding it by sprinkling sugar on themselves.

Sera, posting on my phone, I saw the white hair and got you mixed up. No need to type a novel about it.

[MaeIsMean]

I know for a fact doing the 2.0 rotation on BLM still does more dmg than what most DF people can pull because they can't pay attention to what's in front of their screen.

I hardly think that "most DF people" are failing as bad as you say. Come on now.

[MihaelB]

Archaell, I guess it depends on the sitiation. I am not saying you did but hypothetically, someone says "all I did was ask the guy..." But they leave out where they were nasty about it or added something that was condescending. How you ask or say something makes a big difference.

Elitists still exist and are trying to be smarter in hiding it by sprinkling sugar on themselves.

Sera, posting on my phone, I saw the white hair and got you mixed up. No need to type a novel about it.

Your signature alone tells us about how you think about the situation and it is the exact problem in the community.

[Mattelot]

It just shows how nasty people will get just because you don't play how they want.

[Seraphix2407]

Sera, posting on my phone, I saw the white hair and got you mixed up. No need to type a novel about it.

No need to be a a-hole about it either. If you want to discuss or argue againts me, you would first need to stop making up things. I wont take it back, you are toxic.

It just shows how nasty people will get just because you don't play how they want.

Comes from the right person, am I right?

I hardly think that "most DF people" are failing as bad as you say. Come on now.

Orly?

[Granyala]

It depends. If the person underperforms because his gear is crap, I won't say anything.

If it's an ice III spamming black mage or an auto-follow afk SCH, I'll initiate a vote kick.