Message from actual new player

[Kiroh]

I agree with the sentiments of the OP in this case. If you're a new player with no other classes leveled up, you are going to be butchered left, right and center.

SE is trying to force more group play, which in my opinion is a mistake. The balance before this patch of solo to group was perfectly fine because it rewarded parties rather than punishing soloers. Had they simply added chain bonuses and left it at that, the balance would have been perfect in my opinion, but I digress.

The point is that whether or not it's SE's intent to ignore new players at this juncture of the game's development, it's an issue they WILL have to face if they ever expect this game to have a strong playerbase in the future. They may not think it's critical now, but it will be, and soon. No one is going to want to play this game if a year in, it's already top-heavy in both player levels and content. It's barely been 12 months and already they're focusing almost entirely on 'end-game' content to the crippling detriment of new players and characters.

I truly hope they address this, soon. I've seen far too many issues, even trifling ones that are minor in comparison, become huge sticking points for the players just because SE chose to put them off until later.

[Betelgeuzah]

If you're a new player with no other classes leveled up, you are going to be butchered left, right and center.

Once again a LNC lvl47 speaking.

When do you people realize that you have no clue? You are speaking out of hearsay at best, or based on nothing at worst.

Soloing is damn effective at and before level 13 and I see no hint of this changing anytime soon. Soloing is efficient to this point, and quite likely much beyond too, 'till mid-20's even. It's not like new players are thrown under the "group or die" bus as soon as they log in the first time.

I myself truly hope SE addresses the community 'issue' soon but even they can't cure ignorance.

[Kiroh]

Once again a LNC lvl47 speaking.

When do you people realize that you have no clue? You are speaking out of hearsay at best, or based on nothing at worst.

Soloing is damn effective at and before level 13 and I see no hint of this changing anytime soon. Soloing is efficient to this point, and quite likely much beyond too, 'till mid-20's even. It's not like new players are thrown under the "group or die" bus as soon as they log in the first time.

I myself truly hope SE addresses the community 'issue' soon but even they can't cure ignorance.

Speaking as someone with a secondary character that has no other classes leveled, as well as someone with MRD sitting pretty at rank 15, even with 4 other combat classes 30+.

Soloing is not even close to 'effective' for lower levels. I was almost killed by a level 3 sheep from full health because I was level 2 with no class skills other than Trunksplitter. It took me an entire leve to go from level 4 to level 4 with 3/4s of my way to level 5. (Which by the way, is only 850 experience to get to.)

I myself truly hope SE addresses the community issues as well, but even they can't cure blind attack trolls.

Edit : I also find it rather ironic that someone with your signature pic would lash out at an argument based on the poster's class level...

[Gramul]

Where do you get server populations from? Gut instinct? Do the chocobos on the server select screen actually mean something?

The fact that everywhere is suddenly crowded?
At least on my server.

[Betelgeuzah]

Speaking as someone with a secondary character that has no other classes leveled, as well as someone with MRD sitting pretty at rank 15, even with 4 other combat classes 30+.

Which still gives you a significant advantage (and significant bias to play the game in a certain, unintended way, as we can see from your second paragraph).

Soloing is not even close to 'effective' for lower levels. I was almost killed by a level 3 sheep from full health because I was level 2 with no class skills other than Trunksplitter. It took me an entire leve to go from level 4 to level 4 with 3/4s of my way to level 5. (Which by the way, is only 850 experience to get to.)

It took me 15 minutes to get from level 1 to 5, in which time I also earned 60k worth of mats to sell (at level 13 I now have 140k). I have no secondary characters, I didn't do any magical tricks to accomplish this. The difference between you and me is that you are stuck in trying to level in a way that isn't effective anymore, while I level in a way that is much more effective and sensible.

It's even more hilarious because you out of all people should have the resources to keep yourself up to date and know how to play the damn game. I should be the one struggling, but nope.

I mean, how much does one have to be stuck in an archaic mindset to not realize that leves that send you across half the world to kill 2 mobs just to earn 100xp and 200gil at the end of the task is not as effective as killing the dozens of easy-to-kill targets crowded in one place that earn you enough EXP to level up with ease up to level ten, not to mention drop a lot of good mats to be used for acquiring currency at the same time?

[Blarp]

The fact that everywhere is suddenly crowded?
At least on my server.

It's crowded, so server populations must be high. Do you see the fallacy in that?

[Agoven]

Notes to success in battling now:
#1 Gear your rank
#2 Make sure they are REPAIRED
#3 Mobs no more then 1 to 2 levels above you.

BIG NOTE: Mobs 1 to 2 levels above you give more XP then pre-patch where it required a group of 5 to party kill to get the same XP. Plus with chains and links that XP is now much more impressive.

SE also moved the mobs so progression is easier. Lots of zonal mobs in pockets that continue to progress as you move further out...

[Kiroh]

Which still gives you a significant advantage (and significant bias to play the game in a certain, unintended way, as we can see from your second paragraph).



It took me 15 minutes to get from level 1 to 5, in which time I also earned 60k worth of mats to sell (at level 13 I now have 140k). I have no secondary characters, I didn't do any magical tricks to accomplish this. The difference between you and me is that you are stuck in trying to level in a way that isn't effective anymore, while I level in a way that is much more effective and sensible.

It's even more hilarious because you out of all people should have the resources to keep yourself up to date and know how to play the damn game. I should be the one struggling, but nope.

And if all else fails attack the person's skill or competence.

Tell me what part of having no skills or gear beyond what you start with at level 2 is 'unintended'?

Or better yet, how my ability to supply myself with level 50 gear on the drop of a hat is relevant to new players?

Or how any of what you've been lashing out at is relevant or productive discussion rather than just trolling.

Any of those would be lovely to know.

Also, the sheep had nothing to do with my leve, that was one of those random "Easy to kill" mobs you were talking about.

[Gramul]

It's crowded, so server populations must be high. Do you see the fallacy in that?

My main point is that the game is much more active than it was before. Perhaps my use of the phrase "server population" was not the best choice. Oh wait, I never said that.

What I said was:

[...]there are more players now than sense the game began[...]

[Betelgeuzah]

Tell me what part of having no skills or gear beyond what you start with at level 2 is 'unintended'?

Or better yet, how my ability to supply myself with level 50 gear on the drop of a hat is relevant to new players?

Its funny that even when your options are so limited at that level, you still managed to screw it up. You don't need gear beyond level 1 nor skills beyond level 2 to handle everything the game throws at you at that stage. Blaming the game when the problem is at the other side of the screen is hilarious but understandable.

New players can't tap the same resources you do. They have essentially 0 gil to start with, unlike you. They haven't experienced the game yet, so they have no bias when it comes to playing it. You on the other hand, tried to just do what was familiar to you and failed horribly at it. Don't blame me.

Or how any of what you've been lashing out at is relevant or productive discussion rather than just trolling.

You: Nobody can level I couldn't get to 5 by playing the game wrong plz fix it SE QQ

Me: It's easier than ever to level up to 20's while supplying yourself, and here's my experience to prove it.

If that isn't relevant to the discussion, nothing is. You spread misconceptions, I try to correct them as best as I can. It's a tough task however, I'll give you that much.