Solving the Fire Mage Problem

[MagiusNecros]

Would be great if we could summon a Voidsent monster like the Barghest or have a neat little pact system going but eh whatever. Come the expansion enjoy your Thunder 4 I guess.

[Razard]

Yeap, it can be...who said anything about spamming? I mentioned spamming in my post? Straw man?

In this game now you spam the same rotation over and over and over..that's depth? Kay. Nice, diverse battle system there.

Nope not a straw man. Because that is all adding an elemental wheel boils down to. Prove me wrong.

Would be great if we could summon a Voidsent monster like the Barghest or have a neat little pact system going but eh whatever.

This class is already in the game darling. It's just you don't like it for arbitrary reasons.

[MagiusNecros]

Except Summoner has little to do with Summoning and is all about DoTs.

[Cherub]

Well to be fair, the spell usage in 3.0 has gotten better. It definitely feels better using Fire IV and Blizzard IV instead of tier 1 magic. Here is alot of hope that 4.0 will have BLM use different high tier magic more. While a glamour system sounds cool, it would ultimately not satisfy me. I don't want to keep casting a single type of magic (ie ice or fire) I want it all mixed up and constantly switching around. That's what I had hoped before starting ARR and Fire mage is what we got. It's still a god damn shame what happened to Freeze.

1.xx seemed to have alot more job depth which I actually hoped would carry over but it definitely did not. But then again I was pro 1.23-combat style and anti 2.0 GCD style.

[Razard]

Except Summoner has little to do with Summoning and is all about DoTs.

As I said. Arbitrary reasons.

[MagiusNecros]

As I said. Arbitrary reasons.

Why make job quest about arbitrary blm summoning voidsent monster then if it's more about fire and ice. Why give enemy blm's breakga/drain/dark spells while players remain with amazing spells like sleep and lethargy?

[Razard]

Why make job quest about arbitrary blm summoning voidsent monster then if it's more about fire and ice. Why give enemy blm's breakga/drain/dark spells while players remain with amazing spells like sleep and lethargy?

Wow, I was just humouring you. You are just thick really aren't you.

Notice a reoccurring theme with people summoning voidsend? Hmmm I wonder. Oh I know! The people who do it are either mustache twirlingly evil or batpoo crazy. I mean, crap, we have whole raids dedicated to how much of a bad idea summoning demons from the void is. I suppose you would know this if you payed attention to anything.

I would comment on your little spell rant but, you know, arbitrary.

[MagiusNecros]

I'd rather read your comments instead of throwing the word arbitrary around. All it amounts to is you handwaving a discussion you can't be bothered with. We have whole raids dedicated to how Mhachi mages were able to control high level voidsent. And only broke free several years after a flood happened and wiped out the nation. We've had Mages build the construct Ozma which still worked to this day. We've had Thaumaturges undergo summoning rituals which is the only reason Ultros is even in XIV. We are talking about a low level Chimera here. And even then in relation between job quests and abilities do they have symmetry with each other? Nope. It was more "grats you completed quest have a skill you wish you had 5 minutes ago".

[Razard]

I'd rather read your comments instead of throwing the word arbitrary around. All it amounts to is you handwaving a discussion you can't be bothered with.

With all due respect, when your post amount to "Why do we have Sleep and Lethargy instead of Drain/ Break/ summon lollypop guild". I have to dismiss it as arbitrary.

We have whole raids dedicated to how Mhachi mages were able to control high level voidsent. And only broke free several years after a flood happened and wiped out the nation. We've had Mages build the construct Ozma which still worked to this day. We've had Thaumaturges undergo summoning rituals which is the only reason Ultros is even in XIV. We are talking about a low level Chimera here. And even then in relation between job quests and abilities do they have symmetry with each other? Nope. It was more "grats you completed quest have a skill you wish you had 5 minutes ago".

And look how that turned out for them. How many Mhachi are running around Void Ark? You know, the thing they escaped the flood in. Oh yes and that whole incident with the Cloud of Darkness being summoned by a mad emperor to pretty much destroy Eorzea.

Ozma is a non sequitur. We don't know enough about it. Besides, I don't think we can carry around an Ozma wherever we go.

And remember this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4y-Zbm10Z20 (from 6:00 onwards). That was a "Low level chimera" and it turned on it's Summoner almost immediately. And this is ignoring other examples of demonic possession. Tam Tara Deepcroft anyone?

[MagiusNecros]

The BLM was weak. I have full confidence the WoL can achieve damn near anything.

The Mhachi mages aren't around because they were prominent during the War of the Magi. They are mostly wiped out now. They took the Ark into the Void supposedly...probably couldn't survive. Refer to what could have been the fate of Nero in the World of Darkness. That is likely what happened to all the Mages on board the Ark. Voidsent only survived because they can exist on that plane of existence. Xande made a pact with something that couldn't be controlled. And is mostly a homage to FF3.

Your arbitrary dismissal of why NPC BLM have access to petrification and a drain spell whereas the player does not only means you don't care much for them. If it's a fear of imbalance why not plop them in PvP?

That said further discussion with you shall lead nowhere. So nowhere it shall remain. Kudos.