Do healer need to help doing dps? Especially cleric stance?

[Supersun]

See what I mean? Randoms calling you bad because you don't play the way they want you to. I pay my monthly fee for this game, I'll play however I want, just like the OP should.

This is bad


This is better


This is bad
600 HPS
0 DPS

This is better
600 HPS
1,100 DPS

Your thought that a healer is a healer and should only job is to heal is flawed. There aren't 3 different jobs in a party, but rather one, to clear the dungeon (with the metric of performance generally being as fast as possible). Everyone has the same job, but are given different toolkits which each person using that toolkit to accomplish their 1 job, to clear the dungeon, in the most effective way possible.

By your logic, if there is no real metric besides just clearing the dungeon, DPS could simply auto attack and use no skills and they would be fine, but everyone has a problem with Bootshine spamming monks. It's not because of elitism, but because they are wasting the parties time due to lazyness/selfishness.

I don't expect people to play to my standard because my standard by definition is better than me. What I do expect though is a level of respect for the 3 other people you are playing with. If you are not willing to put forth a level of effort to respect the 3 other people in the party, then don't enter the que.

I'm fine with people of different skill levels. I don't expect every healer to be able to push 1,200 DPS. If a healer is uncomfortable with stance dancing that's fine. I at least expect everyone to try to do their best with what they are comfortable with. If a sch in Satasha is just auto following their tank while their fairy heals while they are afk...yeah, I have a problem with that because they clearly don't respect the other 3 members of the party and that is what makes them bad.

Now, not all examples are as extreme as the auto-following Sch or the skillless DPS, but if a Smn for example refuses to raise the healer because "I'm a DPS and my job is to DPS. I'll play my way because it's my $12" then he is bad as well because he's not respecting the other members of his party for no other reason than a selfish self-definition. If you refuse to use any part of your toolkit, not because you are uncomfortable or you forgot to set it on your bar or something, but you refuse to use a part of your toolkit to clear a dungeon simply because you don't want to...you are bad.

Hence, if during dollhouse you just afk and rely on the tank to free the other DDs simply because "I'm a healer and my job is to heal" you are bad, not because of a level of performance, but because you are refusing to perform at a level that's respectful of the other 3 members.

In fact, let's bring in some Kantianism and universalize your principle where everyone thinks and acts with the same line of though. If you refuse to DPS during Dollhouse because "You are a healer and my job is to heal" the tank has just as much of a right to say "I'm a tank and my job is to tank so I can't leave the boss" and guess what...you wipe because now no one can free the DDs from being dolls.

That's right, the game itself expect you, as the healer, to DPS during Dollhouse, and to not do so because "Your job is to heal" means...you are bad.

[winsock]

I don't understand why so many people feel the need to insult others who they do not agree with. People can't say "I don't agree because..." or agree to disagree. Not that it personally bothers me because I know quite a few here are just trolling but someone is trying to come here asking for opinions and they have to be plagued with "if you don't play the way I want, you're bad!" replies.

I don't understand why so many people feel the need to insult others who they do not agree with. People can't say "I don't agree because..." or agree to disagree. Not that it personally bothers me because I know quite a few healers who make the rest of the party work harder because they want to be lazy but someone is trying to come here asking for opinions and they have to be plagued "if you want to slack off, you'll be considered good" lies.

[Sanlaw]

Healer should dps more than they heal. Alot of the content in ffxiv aside from savage required little to no heal at all. You can acutally kill a boss in any high leven dungeon without little to no heal.. my goal is always not to heal or heal as little as possible and all out dps as long as group dont die.

[joshdavis271]

If I feel the party is in no danger of dying to heavy hits I pop cleric stance and throw stone or holy bomb. Healers job is to figure out what to do in any situation and react with the proper spell(I have yet to master this tough.) No danger=dps.

[Alistaire]

This is a special case

It's not a special case. It's SE designing things to try to hammer in bad healers' heads there are times they should dps. Would you not dps in the initial part either before the dolls combine? Terrible.

Any boss fight should begin with the healer in dps stance. You should be halfway through casting your first dot as the tank pulls. And that's all the way from lolroulettes to raids.

[Mattelot]

Your thought that a healer is a healer and should only job is to heal is flawed.

Stopped reading there when I realized you never actually read anything I said.

[Donjo]

Stopped reading there when I realized you never actually read anything I said.

I'm beginning to wonder whether or not you've read anything you've typed...

[_slowpoke_]

That's right, the game itself expect you, as the healer, to DPS during Dollhouse, and to not do so because "Your job is to heal" means...you are bad.

I will forever laugh at healers who refuse to DPS there while I break the first set of dolls entirely on my own in a single GCD with Swiftcast Holy into Assize. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Rawrz]

I will forever laugh at healers who refuse to DPS there while I break the first set of dolls entirely on my own in a single GCD with Swiftcast Holy into Assize. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

:C Gimme dat assize. I always just ask casters to stack and I bane them free. I'll broil one, even though a second dot tick would be enough. xD

[_slowpoke_]

:C Gimme dat assize. I always just ask casters to stack and I bane them free. I'll broil one, even though a second dot tick would be enough. xD

Yeah, on SCH I usually just Miasma II, Bane, and just keep broiling the boss. The dolls will usually break from one or two DoT ticks, so no need to switch to them, especially if you have a competent tank who throws in an AoE skill.